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You need some standards, imo. However, we are not currently even meeting basic stuff for the bottom students. Ability to read and write and balance a check book needs to be there for everyone.

For your aspiring xxx college student, you probably have different standards. Without some method to measure, who gets into college, etc. ?

However, teaching to the standardized X grade test seems foolish.
Our kids have taken the ACT and SAT to get into college. That is really all the college they are going to (big state school) looks at for homeschoolers, I think.


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Wow, some angry folks!

So it is just the test you can opt out of? I thought it was the whole instruction. Sounds like that is not the case, though.

If parents and students could choose CC (Singapore) math or traditional math instruction for their children, I wonder what they would choose.
Yes, they still undergo the instruction, and the kids only get separated from the class when it comes time to take the exams. When we had our open school night, my son's teacher actually spent something like 10-15 minutes teaching the parents how a few math problems would be solved under the new instruction.
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Yes, they still undergo the instruction, and the kids only get separated from the class when it comes time to take the exams. When we had our open school night, my son's teacher actually spent something like 10-15 minutes teaching the parents how a few math problems would be solved under the new instruction.
maybe I am nave or not open to new ideas, but seriously, if that is necessary, you can't implement the change on kids who started to do math the 'old fashioned way' and probably should not even approach math the new way. I wonder how many parents were thinking "Is this math teacher nuts?".
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maybe I am nave or not open to new ideas, but seriously, if that is necessary, you can't implement the change on kids who started to do math the 'old fashioned way' and probably should not even approach math the new way. I wonder how many parents were thinking "Is this math teacher nuts?".
It probably makes the parents shy away from the math, and maybe their kids, too.

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Yes, they still undergo the instruction, and the kids only get separated from the class when it comes time to take the exams. When we had our open school night, my son's teacher actually spent something like 10-15 minutes teaching the parents how a few math problems would be solved under the new instruction.
Wow. Too bad there aren't any choices.

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It probably makes the parents shy away from the math, and maybe their kids, too.
I found it very hard to motivate my son, when he asked me what work he needed to show that 13*77=1001. Young teens won't asked their teachers this directly, but my answer was ask the teacher to show you what work he wanted you to show. If you can do it in your head, you don't need to show your work. IMO, it is on the teacher to figure that out.
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Wow. Too bad there aren't any choices.
Nope, it's whatever is forced down your throat.

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maybe I am nave or not open to new ideas, but seriously, if that is necessary, you can't implement the change on kids who started to do math the 'old fashioned way' and probably should not even approach math the new way. I wonder how many parents were thinking "Is this math teacher nuts?".
Per the bolded, is that a trick question based on your user name

All I know, there were a lot of confused faces on the parents in the class (my W and I probably being the only two who were ready to dig in and do more math, but we are geeks like that lol).

The schools have even been offering meeting with parents after school to go over how to do common core math, and I am seeing now tutors are being requested for students, with the requirement being the tutor must know common core.
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All I know, there were a lot of confused faces on the parents in the class (my W and I probably being the only two who were ready to dig in and do more math, but we are geeks like that lol).

The schools have even been offering meeting with parents after school to go over how to do common core math, and I am seeing now tutors are being requested for students, with the requirement being the tutor must know common core.
This is insane. Suddenly in 2015, math didn't change....
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I found it very hard to motivate my son, when he asked me what work he needed to show that 13*77=1001. Young teens won't asked their teachers this directly, but my answer was ask the teacher to show you what work he wanted you to show. If you can do it in your head, you don't need to show your work. IMO, it is on the teacher to figure that out.
It seems like they really want the kids to show their work, though. Rowan said that is part of the method.

Well, hats off to all of you going through this. I sure would not want to do it.


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Wow, another engineer/math professional saying he does not like CC.

And what was the reason for this big curriculum change again? Didn't someone say to make more engineers/math professionals?
Like I said, my sister, who is an actual teacher of 15 years, 10+ of which were SPED, and who has a masters in MATH, has no problem with CC.

As Ive said in other threads, maybe it is just our school district. Maybe they have implemented it differently in other areas. Again, we have no charter schools in Nebraska. Relatively few private schools, most of which are parochial schools. People like to b!tch about our property taxes which are used to fund the public schools. So maybe that explains part of it.

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Nope, it's whatever is forced down your throat.

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Like I said, my sister, who is an actual teacher of 15 years, 10+ of which were SPED, and who has a masters in MATH, has no problem with CC.

As Ive said in other threads, maybe it is just our school district. Maybe they have implemented it differently in other areas. Again, we have no charter schools in Nebraska. Relatively few private schools, most of which are parochial schools. People like to b!tch about our property taxes which are used to fund the public schools. So maybe that explains part of it.
Maybe since there are not really any other choices for most Nebraskans, they just accept it, and are more compliant?

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It seems like they really want the kids to show their work, though. Rowan said that is part of the method.

Well, hats off to all of you going through this. I sure would not want to do it.
that is the problem, at what point is the obvious allowed to be obvious? Do you need to show work that 1+1=2? At some point, it comes down to common sense and knowing your students.
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that is the problem, at what point is the obvious allowed to be obvious? Do you need to show work that 1+1=2? At some point, it comes down to common sense and knowing your students.
Dave, have you ever thought about just teaching your kids on your own? Would anything really bad happen if they just sat quietly in math class? Just tell them to be polite and respectful to the teacher, but that you will be handling math from now on?

Just trying to think of ideas for you.

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