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post #106 of 198 (permalink) Old 01-24-2017, 08:12 PM Thread Starter
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I was going for a hyperbolic metaphor.

He promised {this one should be easy to keep} to build a wall along the Texas border separating Mexico and the United States. The wall should have surveillance cameras, guards and probably barb wire and electricity. It will look like a prison wall and prevent me from walking across the border into Mexico, therefore, I am restricted and it will OUTRAGEOUSLY feel as much like a prison to me as the hyperbolic claim that the states felt like hostages to Obama's Race to the Top federal education funding contest.

I'm really not that concerned about the subject. My kids are done with k-12 education anyway and by the time my grandchildren get there it should be fairly obvious whether it is/was 'successful' in relative terms {since part of the benefit of it is it's measurability} and the teachers {and their unions} will be used to it and hesitant/resistant to make the next change.

Hopefully the next generation of parents won't be as weak at math and make such silly objections to rather simple math problems intended to engage and challenge children.
But people are not complaining about trying to get into Mexico and being forced to stay in the US. Your analogy does not work.

I am amazed that parents have accepted being forcefed CC. We Americans are too passive.


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We have all of those as well..

Standard diploma, AP or IB diploma, honors diploma, or vocational track.

And common core
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Common core standards work if there is enough resolve. The groupthink in America is that if something is pushed on or supported by the feds it's bad, and that the school board in Hazard, KY knows better.

Education suppliers play this like a violin, creating dozens of mediocre and expensive textbooks, web sites, and such that all teach the quadratic equation instead of one or two defacto national curriculum books that actually work.

If you're a good student there already are national curriculum standards, and nobody disagrees that they work well (AP or IB). Nobody's grovelling that IB standards come from godless Europe even!!!

But, what's good enough for the top students of the country or the world isn't good enough for Hazard KY...

When common core requires 20-25 page reports in high schools then we can rethink the subject. Until then, everyone finds a BS issue like long division and rails against all standards...
^^^^^ Yep

2 of my boys went to private schools from K-12. My youngest went to Private from K-3....He is now a Freshman. He works hard, He studies, He takes it seriously, He is doing very well....much better than the 2 I spent roughly 100K on educating...BEFORE college

And hell.....Orygun schools are some of the worst in the country. When does it become at least a little of the students responsibility to actually do the work?

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Scary.

What happens if the students in school do not do well on the standardized tests?

Are the schoolteachers' licenses taken away and the students told to homeschool?

J/k! But seriously, do kids in parochial and private schools have to take the tests? If so, and they do not do well, do they have to enroll in public schools?
Believe it or not, public schools can lose federal funding if the students don't do well on the tests. Which IMHO is exactly the opposite of what should happen.

And kids in private and parochial schools do not have to take the tests because their funding comes from tuition and endowments not from the state and federal governments.

You want scary? My son got the equivalent of about an 80% on last year's CC math test. That's a low B grade. He was in the 95th percentile for all of NYS. How on earth can a B grade put a kid in the 95th percentile unless the tests are WAY too hard? According to the paperwork we got, 40% of the kids who took that same test got the equivalent of a failing grade. FORTY PERCENT!!!!!

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Believe it or not, public schools can lose federal funding if the students don't do well on the tests. Which IMHO is exactly the opposite of what should happen.

And kids in private and parochial schools do not have to take the tests because their funding comes from tuition and endowments not from the state and federal governments.

You want scary? My son got the equivalent of about an 80% on last year's CC math test. That's a low B grade. He was in the 95th percentile for all of NYS. How on earth can a B grade put a kid in the 95th percentile unless the tests are WAY too hard? According to the paperwork we got, 40% of the kids who took that same test got the equivalent of a failing grade. FORTY PERCENT!!!!!
Just curious...what grade was he in....and WTH were the questions on the test? Did you get to see one?

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Believe it or not, public schools can lose federal funding if the students don't do well on the tests. Which IMHO is exactly the opposite of what should happen.

And kids in private and parochial schools do not have to take the tests because their funding comes from tuition and endowments not from the state and federal governments.

You want scary? My son got the equivalent of about an 80% on last year's CC math test. That's a low B grade. He was in the 95th percentile for all of NYS. How on earth can a B grade put a kid in the 95th percentile unless the tests are WAY too hard? According to the paperwork we got, 40% of the kids who took that same test got the equivalent of a failing grade. FORTY PERCENT!!!!!
My homeschool is privately funded, too--by my husband and me. That is pretty much the foundation of homeschooling in our state: we homeschoolers do not receive state funds, so we are not subject to state oversight. Strange that is not the case in your state.

Do they close the public schools because of failure? Do the students get shifted to other districts? How does this work on a practical level?

What is your district, or your state, planning to do about the scores of kids like your son? Anything?

I am surprised parents are not up in arms about this. We Americans really must be a passive people.

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My homeschool is privately funded, too--by my husband and me. That is pretty much the foundation of homeschooling in our state: we homeschoolers do not receive state funds, so we are not subject to state oversight. Strange that is not the case in your state.

Do they close the public schools because of failure? Do the students get shifted to other districts? How does this work on a practical level?

What is your district, or your state, planning to do about the scores of kids like your son? Anything?

I am surprised parents are not up in arms about this. We Americans really must be a passive people.
Agreed...My state is pretty lame on education...But a 40% failure rate....That would make the paper here

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We have all of those as well..

Standard diploma, AP or IB diploma, honors diploma, or vocational track.

And common core
Yes. You HAVE those things. We HAD them. I graduated from HS in 1989 with a full semester of college credits. My (much) younger cousin graduated from the same HS 14 years later. He had finished all his necessary credits by the end of his junior year. When he asked to take college courses, he was told it wasn't an option. He spent 4 HOURS a day of his senior year in study halls. What good did that do him? It made him end up hating the educational system so much that he decided not to go to college at all and now he's a 30 year old man working a dead end job. And this is a guy who's IQ tested in the higher ranges. Such a waste of a life.

My son wants to go to the Naval Academy more than anything in the world. How the hell is he ever going to meet their intense enrollment standards in such a lousy public school? I may end up having to send him away for high school just to give him a chance at his dream. Do you think I really want to miss my only child's high school years?

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Agreed...My state is pretty lame on education...But a 40% failure rate....That would make the paper here
I agree with her that the test must be too hard.

That whole system just seems messed up to me.

Say, Hello, were you the one talking about Ithaca opting out of federal money and not participating in CC? Is that correct? And your governor is willing to take on CC, and refuse fed funding? Is that right?

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Yes. You HAVE those things. We HAD them. I graduated from HS in 1989 with a full semester of college credits. My (much) younger cousin graduated from the same HS 14 years later. He had finished all his necessary credits by the end of his junior year. When he asked to take college courses, he was told it wasn't an option. He spent 4 HOURS a day of his senior year in study halls. What good did that do him? It made him end up hating the educational system so much that he decided not to go to college at all and now he's a 30 year old man working a dead end job. And this is a guy who's IQ tested in the higher ranges. Such a waste of a life.

My son wants to go to the Naval Academy more than anything in the world. How the hell is he ever going to meet their intense enrollment standards in such a lousy public school? I may end up having to send him away for high school just to give him a chance at his dream. Do you think I really want to miss my only child's high school years?
Could you try online public school? Is that an option in NY?


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Just curious...what grade was he in....and WTH were the questions on the test? Did you get to see one?
This was 2014 so 6th grade. And NO ONE gets to see the NYS test questions not even the teachers. The tests get graded by computers like the Scan-Tron systems they had back in the 80s. I don't know how they grade the written answers but I know it's not done by the local teaching staff. It takes months for the results to come in. These tests are NOT counted toward their annual GPA. There are kids that do poorly on the CC tests that have very good "local" grades.

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This was 2014 so 6th grade. And NO ONE gets to see the NYS test questions not even the teachers. The tests get graded by computers like the Scan-Tron systems they had back in the 80s. I don't know how they grade the written answers but I know it's not done by the local teaching staff. It takes months for the results to come in. These tests are NOT counted toward their annual GPA. There are kids that do poorly on the CC tests that have very good "local" grades.
Yeah, but that is not really that uncommon. Look at kids who have high GPAs, but do poorly on the SAT or ACT. The colleges need some unbiased reference, you know?

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I agree with her that the test must be too hard.

That whole system just seems messed up to me.

Say, Hello, were you the one talking about Ithaca opting out of federal money and not participating in CC? Is that correct? And your governor is willing to take on CC, and refuse fed funding? Is that right?
The Ithaca charter schools have opted out of CC not the traditional public schools. Their 2 charter schools are amazing and I wish I lived in their county so my son could attend one.

Cuomo wants to take on CC but is not willing to lose the federal funding. He knows we can't afford to do without it. Besides, now that he's declared his intention to run for POTUS in 2020 I doubt it's going to be one of his priorities.

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The Ithaca charter schools have opted out of CC not the traditional public schools. Their 2 charter schools are amazing and I wish I lived in their county so my son could attend one.

Cuomo wants to take on CC but is not willing to lose the federal funding. He knows we can't afford to do without it. Besides, now that he's declared his intention to run for POTUS in 2020 I doubt it's going to be one of his priorities.
Yeah, I bet not. That hostage situation again.

If enough parents would stand together, though, all across the country, all the politicians would listen.

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Agreed...My state is pretty lame on education...But a 40% failure rate....That would make the paper here
It did make the papers. I remember my dad showing me an USA Today article about it.

If I get a chance tomorrow I'll try to find the link to the state web site with the test results posted. It's all public information.

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