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Do you like it? Do you detest it? Would you like to see it dropped? What should replace it, if anything?

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Common core standards work if there is enough resolve. The groupthink in America is that if something is pushed on or supported by the feds it's bad, and that the school board in Hazard, KY knows better.

Education suppliers play this like a violin, creating dozens of mediocre and expensive textbooks, web sites, and such that all teach the quadratic equation instead of one or two defacto national curriculum books that actually work.

If you're a good student there already are national curriculum standards, and nobody disagrees that they work well (AP or IB). Nobody's grovelling that IB standards come from godless Europe even!!!

But, what's good enough for the top students of the country or the world isn't good enough for Hazard KY...

When common core requires 20-25 page reports in high schools then we can rethink the subject. Until then, everyone finds a BS issue like long division and rails against all standards...
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Do you like it? Do you detest it? Would you like to see it dropped? What should replace it, if anything?

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I liked it and the fact that many parents couldn't or don't understand it is simply a testament to it's necessity.

Sadly something that started out bipartisan has now been labeled "liberal", "ObamaCore" and the "teacher's union plot to indoctrinate our kids" so, ironically, it's probably going to be thrown away by an administration that all went to {and their kids went to or go to} private schools that has utilized the advanced curriculum {really the concept of critical thinking versus rogue memorization} to some degree since the 1970's {actually forever}.

We don't need kids to be calculators ~ we NEED mathematicians and engineers.

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just googled it. you should do the same.

1) math is not taught well
2) literature is replaced by 'easier' to read stuff, which hurts literacy
3) no correlation exists between output (learning) and having a national standard
4) was implemented similarly to Obama Care - on the sly, without input from school boards, etc.

I could go on, but JLD, you really should just google what people who oppose your views say their reasons are. Pretty informative to actually read what the other side thinks.
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Idk, john. My daughter used a spiral textbook for math (Saxon) and a (gasp!) religious text for science (Apologia--though we supplemented info on evolution) in our homeschool, and she went on to college and has done fantastically well in her engineering studies there. Her brothers are using the same texts and I expect similar results.

Makes me wonder how much of what we pay for in schools is essential, you know?

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just googled it. you should do the same.

1) math is not taught well
2) literature is replaced by 'easier' to read stuff, which hurts literacy
3) no correlation exists between output (learning) and having a national standard
4) was implemented similarly to Obama Care - on the sly, without input from school boards, etc.

I could go on, but JLD, you really should just google what people who oppose your views say their reasons are. Pretty informative to actually read what the other side thinks.
This is typical Obama, trying to sneek something through without anyone knowing about it. Anything that would weaken the already low standards our schools have would be bad news. This is more about curriculum/testing to a standard and not about learning. Just because the student happens to pass the test doesn't mean that the student has mastery of the subject.

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just googled it. you should do the same.

1) math is not taught well
2) literature is replaced by 'easier' to read stuff, which hurts literacy
3) no correlation exists between output (learning) and having a national standard
4) was implemented similarly to Obama Care - on the sly, without input from school boards, etc.

I could go on, but JLD, you really should just google what people who oppose your views say their reasons are. Pretty informative to actually read what the other side thinks.
I have read that teachers oppose it, which makes me skeptical of it.

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I have read that teachers oppose it, which makes me skeptical of it.
given how liberal teachers are, on average, and they are in agreement with conservatives on this subject, probably tells you a lot. I told me a lot, then I researched it. Doesn't really impact me any more, but I am fearful for how this will impact the country in the long term.
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Hmmm my sister who is an actual teacher with a masters in mathematics has not complained about common core. I can ask her more, but its not something ive heard her really complain about like "no child left behind".

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given how liberal teachers are, on average, and they are in agreement with conservatives on this subject, probably tells you a lot. I told me a lot, then I researched it. Doesn't really impact me any more, but I am fearful for how this will impact the country in the long term.
I am not sure why cons oppose it, nor why libs (supposedly) support it. I do not really know much about it, nor about NCLB, which preceded it.

I trust the teachers, though. Many have expressed reservations or outright dislike. They are the ones in the trenches every day, after all.


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Given I have 2 children that are in 4th and 6th grade and I work extensively with them on their homework, I have somewhat of knowledgeable view on it. I actually like the math component (which I tend to help the most with). It has given students a different way to look at math and seems to help overall with basic understanding.

A lot of parents hate it, because it changes some ways math is taught. I find that ironic, because if you are not capable of figuring it out with your kid, you were likely taught poorly to begin with. Math has been taught for years to focus on the answers, and that has left us behind. Focusing on the methods is what our kids need and understanding how to do things multiple ways is very beneficial.
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Hmmm my sister who is an actual teacher with a masters in mathematics has not complained about common core. I can ask her more, but its not something ive heard her really complain about like "no child left behind".
Please ask and share here, if you feel comfortable. It is good to get a variety of opinions.

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Hmmm my sister who is an actual teacher with a masters in mathematics has not complained about common core. I can ask her more, but its not something ive heard her really complain about like "no child left behind".
I have noted similar. A family friend who is big on the mathematics side (that is her focus where she teaches) has no issue with common core. A family member who I would say has been very accomplished in the educational fields (from teaching to being a principal to being an administrator for a large school district) likewise doesn't has a whole lot of negatives around it. On the other side, you have a lot of people who are against it, and it is hard to determine who is calling this (i.e. parents just going along with whatever the teachers/principals say). I think the opt out rate for my school district is about 70% or so. My son is part of the 30% which I am sure doesn't make some parents happy lol. I am a math geek, so I have no issues pushing students to think outside the box (assuming it is being taught properly).
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I have noted similar. A family friend who is big on the mathematics side (that is her focus where she teaches) has no issue with common core. A family member who I would say has been very accomplished in the educational fields (from teaching to being a principal to being an administrator for a large school district) likewise doesn't has a whole lot of negatives around it. On the other side, you have a lot of people who are against it, and it is hard to determine who is calling this (i.e. parents just going along with whatever the teachers/principals say). I think the opt out rate for my school district is about 70% or so. My son is part of the 30% which I am sure doesn't make some parents happy lol. I am a math geek, so I have no issues pushing students to think outside the box (assuming it is being taught properly).
Opt out? That is an option? Had not heard that.

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