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Germany is not Italy or Greece or Spain where refugees can sail in. The border is not too difficult to manage.

Needed population? After absorbing East Germany? I think not.
"Why Germany Desperately Needs . . . Refugees"

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Merkel is the leader of the right-center party in Germany...

https://www.quora.com/Is-Angela-Merk...r-conservative

Pity your ideology blocks even basic information seeking
Kind of a trick answer there though....She is Side-less. Or...Opportunist would be a better description..

Wait..No, I have it...Run of the Mill Politician.

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If she is in favor of invasion of her country, she's a worthless piece of crap no matter what the rest of her politics are.
But she's not a leftist, contrary to your proclamation. Or is it that leftists are all worthless pieces of crap, reverse logic...
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The department of wishful thinking called, and they want their theory back

I don't think so. The UK has lots of foreign folk, and I suspect they are the ones causing the population boom.

Well, I didn't get my social sciences diplomas in a cereal box, did I? Of course not:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-British.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...e-times-census

So....

If Germany wanted that extra white Eastern / South / Central Europe crowd (hi Mom!) all they had to do is ask, and Poles, Hungarians, Spaniards, and the like would flood to Dusseldorf.

Nope.

My company has operations in several euro countries, mostly Germany. It is rare to see those people move for good there. I have my theories why. Indians, on the other hand...

So, all the Germans would have to do is to ask such folk to move. Which they could do because of EU. Germans are good people, a bit formal but after you break bread with them they're cool.

Letting a million refugees in? No sense. Not direct. The German economy has a delicate balance of wages vs jobs, so flooding the job market would not be a good idea.

So there's more insidious reasons why. Frau Merkel knows. Wish I did.
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The department of wishful thinking called, and they want their theory back

I don't think so. The UK has lots of foreign folk, and I suspect they are the ones causing the population boom.

Well, I didn't get my social sciences diplomas in a cereal box, did I? Of course not:

Over a third of babies born in the UK are no longer white British | Daily Mail Online

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...e-times-census

So....

If Germany wanted that extra white Eastern / South / Central Europe crowd (hi Mom!) all they had to do is ask, and Poles, Hungarians, Spaniards, and the like would flood to Dusseldorf.

Nope.

My company has operations in several euro countries, mostly Germany. It is rare to see those people move for good there. I have my theories why. Indians, on the other hand...

So, all the Germans would have to do is to ask such folk to move. Which they could do because of EU. Germans are good people, a bit formal but after you break bread with them they're cool.

Letting a million refugees in? No sense. Not direct. The German economy has a delicate balance of wages vs jobs, so flooding the job market would not be a good idea.

So there's more insidious reasons why. Frau Merkel knows. Wish I did.
That has been my experience....Granted they were private soldiers...but all of them that I spent any real time with ...practical like no other. Always the No BS assessment.

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The department of wishful thinking called, and they want their theory back

I don't think so. The UK has lots of foreign folk, and I suspect they are the ones causing the population boom.

Well, I didn't get my social sciences diplomas in a cereal box, did I? Of course not:

Over a third of babies born in the UK are no longer white British | Daily Mail Online

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...e-times-census

So....

If Germany wanted that extra white Eastern / South / Central Europe crowd (hi Mom!) all they had to do is ask, and Poles, Hungarians, Spaniards, and the like would flood to Dusseldorf.

Nope.

My company has operations in several euro countries, mostly Germany. It is rare to see those people move for good there. I have my theories why. Indians, on the other hand...

So, all the Germans would have to do is to ask such folk to move. Which they could do because of EU. Germans are good people, a bit formal but after you break bread with them they're cool.

Letting a million refugees in? No sense. Not direct. The German economy has a delicate balance of wages vs jobs, so flooding the job market would not be a good idea.

So there's more insidious reasons why. Frau Merkel knows. Wish I did.
Because she's a globalist. You can call that left or right; does it really matter?

Always remember the LD motto: "Sex isn't important!!!"
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The department of wishful thinking called, and they want their theory back

I don't think so. The UK has lots of foreign folk, and I suspect they are the ones causing the population boom.

Well, I didn't get my social sciences diplomas in a cereal box, did I? Of course not:

Over a third of babies born in the UK are no longer white British | Daily Mail Online

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...e-times-census

So....

If Germany wanted that extra white Eastern / South / Central Europe crowd (hi Mom!) all they had to do is ask, and Poles, Hungarians, Spaniards, and the like would flood to Dusseldorf.

Nope.

My company has operations in several euro countries, mostly Germany. It is rare to see those people move for good there. I have my theories why. Indians, on the other hand...

So, all the Germans would have to do is to ask such folk to move. Which they could do because of EU. Germans are good people, a bit formal but after you break bread with them they're cool.

Letting a million refugees in? No sense. Not direct. The German economy has a delicate balance of wages vs jobs, so flooding the job market would not be a good idea.

So there's more insidious reasons why. Frau Merkel knows. Wish I did.
Always so cynical. Smh.

There was a crisis, john. What was Germany going to do, build Trump's wall around itself, and overnight?

Refugees were pouring into Europe. Were they going to be held off forever? Should the Greeks and Italians have started sinking the boats? Should the Eastern European countries have shot everyone who approached their borders?

I think she did what she felt had to be done. And if the crisis had not come up, then yes, I am sure Germany would have eventually satisfied its future population needs some other way.

But for now, the often young, sometimes educated, and clearly enterprising Middle Easterners seem to be fitting the bill.

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Totally....It also begs the question...

If there is a chance...that a muslim immigrant could commit rape (or any other crime)...should that immigrant be blocked?

What level of Rape-Risk...is acceptable? The questions stands regardless of the level of rapes committed by citizens...as they are already present and the levels of risk are known.

What about it?
Yep, they should be blocked. It goes along with the saying, "better ten guilty go free than one innocent sent to prison" therefore, "its better that ten non rapist muslims be kept out of the country than one woman raped by one rapist that got through." If you think I'm wrong, image its your wife or daughter raped. Besides, its their problem their countrymen caused the reputation they got.

The acceptable risk level. If they're a brain surgeon or are close to discovering a cure for cancer. Other than that, most folks and countries have been around long enough to know they can live without migrates if the supply dried up. Is the average citizen of any country going to be a hell of a lot worse off if these cats never make it in, elbowing their culture into existing society. If they are not willing to assimilate, why the f--k don't they stay put instead of coming to another country and pestering long time inhabitants to make way for the customs, habits, beliefs, etc.

If you don't embody controversy, what you say will become just another part of the media driven culture of stifling thought and debate about issues.
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Numbers 31 17:18 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Deuteronomy 21 10:11 When you go to war against your enemies and the Lord your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives, 11 if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife.

Along with a number of other unpleasant passages (women being stoned in response to having been raped etc). .

Old religious books have all sorts of nasty stuff in them. I only nope these do not actually represent the will of God, but rather the culture of the people who wrote down the stories.


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There is no equivalent term for ‘rape’ in the Qur'an. Likewise, there is not a single verse in the Qur'an which even remotely discourages forced sex. In contrast, there are several verses in this book which give the green light to rape and other sexual crimes against women.

Surah an-Nisa discusses lawful and forbidden women for pious Muslims. Before we delve into the particular verse, it should be noted that it is not easy to understand what is being suggested using the verse alone. Therefore, relying on authoritative Tafsirs (Qur'an interpretations) and Sahih (authentic) Hadiths associated with it, are necessary to get the exact picture.

Verse 4:24[edit]
Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek them from your property, desiring chastity, not fornication. So with those among them whom you have enjoyed, give them their required due, but if you agree mutually after the requirement (has been determined), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise.
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What we see in the beginning of this verse as “forbidden” refers to sexual intercourse. The Qur'an dictates, women already married are forbidden for Muslims except those whom their right hands possess (sex slaves).
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Numbers 31 17:18 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Deuteronomy 21 10:11 When you go to war against your enemies and the Lord your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives, 11 if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife.

Along with a number of other unpleasant passages (women being stoned in response to having been raped etc). .

Old religious books have all sorts of nasty stuff in them. I only nope these do not actually represent the will of God, but rather the culture of the people who wrote down the stories.

These are quotes from the Old Testament - Christians follow the life and example of Jesus Christ, and you can read about his life in the New Testament. False equivalency arguments show a basic ignorance of the topic. The Old Testament shows, amongst other things, the slow, painful and violent historical development of ancient people from lawless barbarism to the development and following of the rule of law. As I stated on a now defunct thread:

In a time of barbarism and slavery, Christ hung out with the outcasts (lepers and prostitutes), held complex political discussions with women and claimed that a person's personal religion should be between the person and his/her God: "Rend unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and rend unto God what is God's." The most violent thing he did was to overturn the tables in the temple and chase some people with a stick - no murders. So, Christ's personal moral example holds up exceptionally well even in today's modern world - which is remarkable, when we remember the culture he lived in. The Islamic prophet, sadly, killed a lot of people, degraded the female sex by having multiple wives and concubines, led wars of conquest, enslaved large numbers of conquered people including the wives of slain enemies, ordered executions, and so it goes on. His personal moral example is appalling by contemporary moral standards. Sadly, large swathes of people in the Mid East are poorly educated and hold a very literal view/ interpretation of the Koran and Hadiths. The life of their prophet is meant to represent the perfect human life, meaning that he is the supreme example of a moral life, worthy of close emulation. This is a problem for the world.

Compare the final words of Christ, Buddha and Mohammad - very interesting. Study the declining numbers of Christians in the Middle East (due to Islamic persecution) over the last hundred years. Read about the Christian mother in Pakistan who dared drink some water from a Muslim's cup (she is currently facing the death sentence for blasphemy). Some Christians do heinous things, and some Muslims do heinous things, but that does not mean that the lives of the founders are the moral equivalent of each other. The teachings of each belief system flow directly from the example of these two lives - and this explains quite a lot.

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Always so cynical. Smh.

There was a crisis, john. What was Germany going to do, build Trump's wall around itself, and overnight?

Refugees were pouring into Europe. Were they going to be held off forever? Should the Greeks and Italians have started sinking the boats? Should the Eastern European countries have shot everyone who approached their borders?

I think she did what she felt had to be done. And if the crisis had not come up, then yes, I am sure Germany would have eventually satisfied its future population needs some other way.

But for now, the often young, sometimes educated, and clearly enterprising Middle Easterners seem to be fitting the bill.
You don't get more Germans by importing millions of breeding age people from a patriarchal, fertile and completely alien culture. That is called cultural suicide. But, hey, if a country is so full of self loathing that it doesn't care about the safety of its women and children, and is not invested in having its own children, what can be done?

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The super cynic in me can't help but wonder if the real reason the Germans want the Syrians is because of the bad blood between pretty much every European nation and Germany following WW2...

I mean, it's not like they did not do serious atrocities in my village.. country... The same can be said for most people who resisted them.

And it's not like they don't have experience. They imported millions of Turks following WW2. but the Turks were quiet, hardworking, and didn't cause much trouble. Maybe they thought Syrians would do the same?
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Always so cynical. Smh.

There was a crisis, john. What was Germany going to do, build Trump's wall around itself, and overnight?

Refugees were pouring into Europe. Were they going to be held off forever? Should the Greeks and Italians have started sinking the boats? Should the Eastern European countries have shot everyone who approached their borders?

I think she did what she felt had to be done. And if the crisis had not come up, then yes, I am sure Germany would have eventually satisfied its future population needs some other way.

But for now, the often young, sometimes educated, and clearly enterprising Middle Easterners seem to be fitting the bill.
It's not like the Berlin Wall didn't get built... Or the GDR border... The Hungarians are building a wall. From what I hear from Greece in the news, they're having trouble as it is.

We will know soon...
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The old testament is still part of Christianity, but most Christians do not follow it as an example. Similarly most Muslims do not support some of the more objectionable parts of the Koran. All the ones I've met completely denounce the narrow minded violent extremists.

Of course some people have misused Christianity as an excuse for all sorts of horrors, just as some have misused the Koran.

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These are quotes from the Old Testament - Christians follow the life and example of Jesus Christ, and you can read about his life in the New Testament. False equivalency arguments show a basic ignorance of the topic. The Old Testament shows, amongst other things, the slow, painful and violent historical development of ancient people from lawless barbarism to the development and following of the rule of law. As I stated on a now defunct thread:

In a time of barbarism and slavery, Christ hung out with the outcasts (lepers and prostitutes), held complex political discussions with women and claimed that a person's personal religion should be between the person and his/her God: "Rend unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and rend unto God what is God's." The most violent thing he did was to overturn the tables in the temple and chase some people with a stick - no murders. So, Christ's personal moral example holds up exceptionally well even in today's modern world - which is remarkable, when we remember the culture he lived in. The Islamic prophet, sadly, killed a lot of people, degraded the female sex by having multiple wives and concubines, led wars of conquest, enslaved large numbers of conquered people including the wives of slain enemies, ordered executions, and so it goes on. His personal moral example is appalling by contemporary moral standards. Sadly, large swathes of people in the Mid East are poorly educated and hold a very literal view/ interpretation of the Koran and Hadiths. The life of their prophet is meant to represent the perfect human life, meaning that he is the supreme example of a moral life, worthy of close emulation. This is a problem for the world.

Compare the final words of Christ, Buddha and Mohammad - very interesting. Study the declining numbers of Christians in the Middle East (due to Islamic persecution) over the last hundred years. Read about the Christian mother in Pakistan who dared drink some water from a Muslim's cup (she is currently facing the death sentence for blasphemy). Some Christians do heinous things, and some Muslims do heinous things, but that does not mean that the lives of the founders are the moral equivalent of each other. The teachings of each belief system flow directly from the example of these two lives - and this explains quite a lot.
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