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post #61 of 148 (permalink) Old 01-27-2017, 11:12 AM
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It's not like the Berlin Wall didn't get built... Or the GDR border... The Hungarians are building a wall. From what I hear from Greece in the news, they're having trouble as it is.

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You know, by the way people speak about this issue (not you John) you would think that no nation ever had a border in the past, and that this is a completely novel concept that could never be implemented...

Hungary built a wall. And they claim it has been very beneficial. Now they're building a better and bigger one.

Of course Germany wouldn't have needed a wall... these people had to be imported via rail from Turkey to get to Germany. Refusing the trains, or checking people coming off and sending them home, would have done the trick...

I really wish I knew what Frau Merkel is about here. It seems absolutely mad, from my perspective. Either there's some advantage she's vying for that I can't see (like you mentioned up thread) or this is a society that honestly wants to die out, and is prepared make that happen. There's been a lot of talk about how the German politicians think that this must be done, because of the Holocaust. I don't know if that's true or not, but I can't imagine thinking that because my grandparents (or my nation at least) might have done something terrible 75 years ago, that means I and my children must endure something terrible to make up for it.

It is definitely strange to watch.


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On a related note about rape by immigrants:

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Yep, they should be blocked. It goes along with the saying, "better ten guilty go free than one innocent sent to prison" therefore, "its better that ten non rapist muslims be kept out of the country than one woman raped by one rapist that got through." If you think I'm wrong, image its your wife or daughter raped. Besides, its their problem their countrymen caused the reputation they got.

The acceptable risk level. If they're a brain surgeon or are close to discovering a cure for cancer. Other than that, most folks and countries have been around long enough to know they can live without migrates if the supply dried up. Is the average citizen of any country going to be a hell of a lot worse off if these cats never make it in, elbowing their culture into existing society. If they are not willing to assimilate, why the f--k don't they stay put instead of coming to another country and pestering long time inhabitants to make way for the customs, habits, beliefs, etc.
Yep, I agree totally. That's why it's good that the Obama administration is history. They only wanted political correctness and would never hear of blocking Muslims from coming here. Most of them have no intention of assimilating and becoming Americans, they expect our culture to bend and accommodate them. Most of them come here to get on welfare and have no intention of finding work, they're here for the free ride.

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You don't get more Germans by importing millions of breeding age people from a patriarchal, fertile and completely alien culture. That is called cultural suicide. But, hey, if a country is so full of self loathing that it doesn't care about the safety of its women and children, and is not invested in having its own children, what can be done?
I don't know that it was self-loathing. People are pretty materialistic nowadays. Kids are costly and take work. Many people all over the developed world prefer to limit their family size, or not have children at all. It makes their lives easier.

I hear you, though, that just filling up a country does not really continue its culture.

Thing is, Germany's culture has been kind of sketchy at times . . . They started the two most destructive wars of the last century, after all.

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I don't know that it was self-loathing. People are pretty materialistic nowadays. Kids are costly and take work. Many people all over the developed world prefer to limit their family size, or not have children at all. It makes their lives easier.

I hear you, though, that just filling up a country does not really continue its culture.

Thing is, Germany's culture has been kind of sketchy at times . . . They started the two most destructive wars of the last century, after all.
To be fair, there was plenty of blame to spread around for WW1

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We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades. --Muammar Gaddafi

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To be fair, there was plenty of blame to spread around for WW1
You could say that the Serbs technically started it. Most everybody else, including the Germans, got sucked in through their various alliances. But it might also be fair to say that most everybody was spoiling for a fight, anyways.
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To be fair, there was plenty of blame to spread around for WW1
To be fair, if the Allies had not been so hard on Germany, there might not have been WW2, either.

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You could say that the Serbs technically started it. Most everybody else, including the Germans, got sucked in through their various alliances. But it might also be fair to say that most everybody was spoiling for a fight, anyways.
I always blamed it on the Russians. The Serbs started it to be sure, but it would have been a small conflict, between the Austrians and Serbs, if Russia hadn't formed a secret alliance with the Serbs. And then honored it.

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To be fair, if the Allies had not been so hard on Germany, there might not have been WW2, either.
Definitely a lot of blame should go to President Wilson for this. Don't get me wrong, the French and Brits enforced the peace, but they never would have if he hadn't signed a separate peace... (well, unless he had agreed to such harsh terms)

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Definitely a lot of blame should go to President Wilson for this. Don't get me wrong, the French and Brits enforced the peace, but they never would have if he hadn't signed a separate peace... (well, unless he had agreed to such harsh terms)
I hope this isn't too much of a thread jack, it's just an area of interest to me.

That the Allies were too hard on Germany is a pretty common meme, but I'm not sure I agree. They were far harder on Austria-Hungary, which of course ceased to exist. And those poor Germans were perfectly happy to bite off the most productive parts of Russia: the Baltics, Ukraine and most of Belarus when they reached an earlier peace with the Bolsheviks.

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I think the lesson is that you cannot focus on punishment and revenge. You have to be honest about why things happened and use that to prevent future problems.

Back to Merkel . . .

Seriously, guys, you would have wanted the Europeans to sink those boats and shoot the families who were showing up on the border?

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I think the lesson is that you cannot focus on punishment and revenge. You have to be honest about why things happened and use that to prevent future problems.

Back to Merkel . . .

Seriously, guys, you would have wanted the Europeans to sink those boats and shoot the families who were showing up on the border?
If a couple hundred people showed up at your home saying "let me live in your home, feed me, care for me" would you just take them in cart blanche? If you told them no, and they tried to force their way in, what would you do?

Now fortunately, they probably wouldn't have to sink the boats, just force them back to sea. Executions aren't necessary. What an extreme to jump to.

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If a couple hundred people showed up at your home saying "let me live in your home, feed me, care for me" would you just take them in cart blanche? If you told them no, and they tried to force their way in, what would you do?

Now fortunately, they probably wouldn't have to sink the boats, just force them back to sea. Executions aren't necessary. What an extreme to jump to.
How do you force them back to sea? To go where?

Look, I am not crazy about the idea of a big refugee flood into our country, either, kivlor. But I am not comfortable with images of toddlers washing up on beaches, either. Not if we could have prevented it.

I am not crazy about welfare, either, especially as a life plan. But my understanding is that many of the first people who left were well educated. They have potential to be assets to a new country.

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How do you force them back to sea? To go where?

Look, I am not crazy about the idea of a big refugee flood into our country, either, kivlor. But I am not comfortable with images of toddlers washing up on beaches, either. Not if we could have prevented it.
Life is uncomfortable. If you want them here, you should take them into your home. Clothe them. Feed them. Teach them our language. Demanding someone else do it is a horror.

I really don't understand this hand-wringing. It seems so false to me. Disingenuous. I'm not aiming that at you JLD, but in general, across society.

Every day tens of thousands of children who I do not know, and never will, die of starvation. I could have done something. But I didn't. And I go to sleep with this knowledge, and I do it easily. It causes me no grief. And it causes all of the hand-wringers none either. Or they'd be doing something serious about it with their time, with their assets.

Let the Nigerians care for the Nigerians. The Germans care for the Germans. The Americans care for the Americans. The Japanese care for the Japanese.

If we wanted to help them, we'd set up camps in their home country, where the cost would be less, and they would be around people they can communicate with. Bringing them to the West is about virtue signalling. You help less people. It costs more money. And it causes more trouble. So why do it? Because the virtue signalling politicians and their sycophants get to parade around a couple of children, and say "Look at me! Look at me! I'm a good person! Vote for me!"?

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Nobody wants drowned toddlers, but someone has to make the hard decision at some point, otherwise the place the refugees want to go won't be much better than the place they left in a lot of cases.

Importing a shake and bake underclass can strain any government, but I imagine it would be even worse in a country as committed to social spending as Germany. Your choices are to bankrupt the govt, or leave people in poverty and watch crime rocket.

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