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post #76 of 148 (permalink) Old 01-27-2017, 12:46 PM
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Life is uncomfortable. If you want them here, you should take them into your home. Clothe them. Feed them. Teach them our language. Demanding someone else do it is a horror.

I really don't understand this hand-wringing. It seems so false to me. Disingenuous. I'm not aiming that at you JLD, but in general, across society.

Every day tens of thousands of children who I do not know, and never will, die of starvation. I could have done something. But I didn't. And I go to sleep with this knowledge, and I do it easily. It causes me no grief. And it causes all of the hand-wringers none either. Or they'd be doing something serious about it with their time, with their assets.

Let the Nigerians care for the Nigerians. The Germans care for the Germans. The Americans care for the Americans. The Japanese care for the Japanese.

If we wanted to help them, we'd set up camps in their home country, where the cost would be less, and they would be around people they can communicate with. Bringing them to the West is about virtue signalling. You help less people. It costs more money. And it causes more trouble. So why do it? Because the virtue signalling politicians and their sycophants get to parade around a couple of children, and say "Look at me! Look at me! I'm a good person! Vote for me!"?
If there had been an intervention earlier, there may never have even been a refugee crisis, kivlor.

Bringing various situations to people's attention is how things can be improved. And some people do want to improve things. And people working together can often do more than individuals alone.

We may not be able to make everything better. But it is surely in our self interest to make at least some things better.

Geez, it feels bad just saying that.


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Nobody wants drowned toddlers, but someone has to make the hard decision at some point, otherwise the place the refugees want to go won't be much better than the place they left in a lot of cases.

Importing a shake and bake underclass can strain any government, but I imagine it would be even worse in a country as committed to social spending as Germany. Your choices are to bankrupt the govt, or leave people in poverty and watch crime rocket.
Or tax the p1$$ out of the indigenous population. Don't forget that virtually none of these people are working. And they won't. Even though they're all in the 18-30 male demographic. They're not coming to escape oppression. They're coming for free stuff.

How do you expect 1,000,000+ people who can't speak your language, who can't read or write in their own language, to suddenly participate in your society? How do they communicate? How do they enter into contracts? How do they do anything, except bring crime and trouble?

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If there had been an intervention earlier, there may never have even been a refugee crisis, kivlor.

Bringing various situations to people's attention is how things can be improved. And some people do want to improve things. And people working together can often do more than individuals alone.

We may not be able to make everything better. But it is surely in our self interest to make at least some things better.

Geez, it feels bad just saying that.
You realize that almost none of these people are actually refugees, right? That they are economic migrants... that almost none are children or women? That they're 18-30 males?

The "children on boats" meme is false.

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Numbers 31 17:18 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Deuteronomy 21 10:11 When you go to war against your enemies and the Lord your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives, 11 if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife.

Along with a number of other unpleasant passages (women being stoned in response to having been raped etc). .

Old religious books have all sorts of nasty stuff in them. I only nope these do not actually represent the will of God, but rather the culture of the people who wrote down the stories.
Followers of Islam....Tend to believe (the ones I have encountered armed)...that the Koran fully and completely represents the word of God. Their belief in the certainty of their cause is all you need to know.

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Yep, they should be blocked. It goes along with the saying, "better ten guilty go free than one innocent sent to prison" therefore, "its better that ten non rapist muslims be kept out of the country than one woman raped by one rapist that got through." If you think I'm wrong, image its your wife or daughter raped. Besides, its their problem their countrymen caused the reputation they got.

The acceptable risk level. If they're a brain surgeon or are close to discovering a cure for cancer. Other than that, most folks and countries have been around long enough to know they can live without migrates if the supply dried up. Is the average citizen of any country going to be a hell of a lot worse off if these cats never make it in, elbowing their culture into existing society. If they are not willing to assimilate, why the f--k don't they stay put instead of coming to another country and pestering long time inhabitants to make way for the customs, habits, beliefs, etc.
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You realize that almost none of these people are actually refugees, right? That they are economic migrants... that almost none are children or women? That they're 18-30 males?

The "children on boats" meme is false.
At best....traitors to their people...at worst an invading army

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At best....traitors to their people...at worst an invading army
I'll tell you, if a mob of people showed up on my property with these demands, they would be met with hostility. We don't want people who won't stand up for their own nation. Who have no values. Who only want money. Who will turn violent on those who give them charity, because the charity had a cross on the box, or because they demand more and better be gifted to them.

Good God! If I met a mob of Americans behaving this way, making these demands of me, I would respond with the same hostility...

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You realize that almost none of these people are actually refugees, right? That they are economic migrants... that almost none are children or women? That they're 18-30 males?

The "children on boats" meme is false.
I saw pictures of them, kivlor.

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I'll tell you, if a mob of people showed up on my property with these demands, they would be met with hostility. We don't want people who won't stand up for their own nation. Who have no values. Who only want money. Who will turn violent on those who give them charity, because the charity had a cross on the box, or because they demand more and better be gifted to them.

Good God! If I met a mob of Americans behaving this way, making these demands of me, I would respond with the same hostility...
Try to put yourself in the shoes of a refugee, kivlor.

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Try to put yourself in the shoes of a refugee, kivlor.
I did too. But almost none of them were coming to Europe. They were washing up in Turkey. None of those boats made it to Germany. Some made it to Greece, and Italy is having a problem, but again, not with Syrian Refugees, but grown men from Africa looking for money.

I have imagined myself in the position of the Economic Migrants. I wouldn't be with them. If you want to know what I'd do if I lived in Syria, the answer is that I would already be dead. Because I'd have been one of those Orthodox Christians beheaded for not converting. And I'd have definitely gone down swinging.

If by miracle I weren't dead, I'd be doing the most heinous things you can imagine JLD. In fact, I doubt you, or most people in the West, could truly envision the atrocities I would commit for my family. (I don't think for a minute I would actually survive it)

Let me put this in your head. If my town were overrun by a bunch of Muslims intent on killing all gays and apostates, and the subjugation or death of all non-believers, I would oppose them. Violently. Quietly if possible.


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I did too. But almost none of them were coming to Europe. They were washing up in Turkey. None of those boats made it to Germany. Some made it to Greece, and Italy is having a problem, but again, not with Syrian Refugees, but grown men from Africa looking for money.

I have imagined myself in the position of the Economic Migrants. I wouldn't be with them. If you want to know what I'd do if I lived in Syria, the answer is that I would already be dead. Because I'd have been one of those Orthodox Christians beheaded for not converting. And I'd have definitely gone down swinging.

If by miracle I weren't dead, I'd be doing the most heinous things you can imagine JLD. In fact, I doubt you, or most people in the West, could truly envision the atrocities I would commit for my family. (I don't think for a minute I would actually survive it)

Let me put this in your head. If my town were overrun by a bunch of Muslims intent on killing all gays and apostates, and the subjugation or death of all non-believers, I would oppose them. Violently. Quietly if possible.
I would certainly rather be dead than live under ISIS. Or any stifling regime, really.

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I would certainly rather be dead than live under ISIS. Or any stifling regime, really.
They had that option

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The old testament is still part of Christianity, but most Christians do not follow it as an example. [B]Similarly most Muslims do not support some of the more objectionable parts of [/B]the Koran. All the ones I've met completely denounce the narrow minded violent extremists.

Of course some people have misused Christianity as an excuse for all sorts of horrors, just as some have misused the Koran.
I agree with a lot of what you say. However, the bolded, unfortunately, is just not true. It is probably true of Muslims in first world countries, but it is not true for the great swathes of people in poorer countries where lack of education and illiteracy reigns. I was horrified to learn that the governor of Jakarta, a Christian, is facing blasphemy charges for stating that there is nothing in the Koran which states that a Muslim cannot vote for a Christian. Indonesia is often labelled as the great example of a peaceful moderate Muslim country. I know a recently arrived and wonderful Indian family who are now citizens in my country who used to live in Dubai, and they are now so happy that they can freely wear their crosses around their necks, without having to make sure that they are covered. This was not permitted and punishable under the law in Dubai - a favourite shopping and tourist destination for many westerners. And we could find many more of such examples.

Of course, there are other parts of Indonesia that are quite western/cosmopolitan, which is great, but as I said earlier, the life lived by the Islamic prophet always makes me nervous when an entire country is dominated by the culture of Islam. Look at what happened to cosmopolitan Iran in the late 1970's after the Islamic Revolution. I am very sympathetic to the types of Muslims that you know, as I think that it will be very difficult for their religion to be reformed because their prophet was not a pacifist. I hope that I am wrong about this.
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I agree with a lot of what you say. However, the bolded, unfortunately, is just not true. It is probably true of Muslims in first world countries, but it is not true for the great swathes of people in poorer countries where lack of education and illiteracy reigns. I was horrified to learn that the governor of Jakarta, a Christian, is facing blasphemy charges for stating that there is nothing in the Koran which states that a Muslim cannot vote for a Christian. Indonesia is often labelled as the great example of a peaceful moderate Muslim country. I know a recently arrived and wonderful Indian family who are now citizens in my country who used to live in Dubai, and they are now so happy that they can freely wear their crosses around their necks, without having to make sure that they are covered. This was not permitted and punishable under the law in Dubai - a favourite shopping and tourist destination for many westerners. And we could find many more of such examples.

Of course, there are other parts of Indonesia that are quite western/cosmopolitan, which is great, but as I said earlier, the life lived by the Islamic prophet always makes me nervous when an entire country is dominated by the culture of Islam. Look at what happened to cosmopolitan Iran in the late 1970's after the Islamic Revolution. I am very sympathetic to the types of Muslims that you know, as I think that it will be very difficult for their religion to be reformed because their prophet was not a pacifist. I hope that I am wrong about this.
Strictly speaking on reform, this can only be done if a new Caliphate is proclaimed and a Khalifa named. Which basically means ISIS must succeed. Or Turkey reconquer the Ottoman Empire...

Islam does not reform the way Christianity has--through Councils of Clergy.

There is little that could be done to Reform it anyway. Suppose we helped the Turks proclaim a new Caliphate and then "Reform" it to be a non-violent religion, much like the Christian texts. Muslims en masse would reject the reforms, and we would have to start another war to put them down, as they would be trying to cleanse the Turkish Apostates who are our obvious puppets. ISIS would never Reform it to be less violent, they would only Reform Islam to be more barbaric than it already is--and their religion's current ideas makes all but the Atzecs look quite civilized. I'm afraid Reform is a pipe dream in this age.

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