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An Australian article, which is referenced, showing that many in the media just cannot see, or don't want to see, what is actually before them:

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/...-approved-way/


I think that some people just lack the survival instinct.

But also, some people are so committed to their ideology that they cannot go against it, as they have invested so much of themselves into their constructed narrative, that even if their narrative falls apart, they cannot abandon it without losing their sense of themselves. The question to Utred about where would he like his daughter to grow up cuts straight to the chase. I wonder how many Islamophiliacs would be willing to sacrifice even their own flesh and blood, just to keep their narrative intact. Looking at western Europe, I would say a hell of a lot of people. Posters have been providing ample evidence to demonstrate that there is indeed a problem with Islam, and every time this happens, some western cultural bed wetter will perform mental gymnastics to try and show that "the west is bad too, even worse!" This is sickening.

Solzhenitsyn wrote about Bolsheviks in The Gulag Archipelago who couldn't condemn the party, even after being betrayed and sent to the gulag by their own beloved Stalin - because the revolution always eats its own. Their commitment to Marxist ideology was so extensive, that they couldn't give it up, without giving up their sense of themselves. I see a lot of similarities between those on the far left and committed Muslims. Blind, unthinking adherence to any ideology is stupid - yet it seems to be very attractive to a great deal of people.

Here is another essay from the same publication about isis' use of children in their terror efforts - it is disgusting.

https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/201...lamic-schools/

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An Australian article, which is referenced, showing that many in the media just cannot see, or don't want to see, what is actually before them:

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/...-approved-way/
I agree, to many in the West are too willing to give up our culture to preserve anything, even things that they don't understand and/or would not agree with if it was relevant to them. Progressivism at its finest.
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How different is it from blue collar conservatives voting consistently against their own self interests?
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Isn't being committed to ideals like freedom of religion, even at the risk of death a good thing? Isn't that what America is based on?

In any case, in the US, the risk is tiny. Even counting 9/11, deaths from terrorism are tiny compared to other risks that we happily accept (cars, guns etc).





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An Australian article, which is referenced, showing that many in the media just cannot see, or don't want to see, what is actually before them:

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/...-approved-way/


I think that some people just lack the survival instinct.

But also, some people are so committed to their ideology that they cannot go against it, as they have invested so much of themselves into their constructed narrative, that even if their narrative falls apart, they cannot abandon it without losing their sense of themselves. The question to Utred about where would he like his daughter to grow up cuts straight to the chase. I wonder how many Islamophiliacs would be willing to sacrifice even their own flesh and blood, just to keep their narrative intact. Looking at western Europe, I would say a hell of a lot of people. Posters have been providing ample evidence to demonstrate that there is indeed a problem with Islam, and every time this happens, some western cultural bed wetter will perform mental gymnastics to try and show that "the west is bad too, even worse!" This is sickening.

Solzhenitsyn wrote about Bolsheviks in The Gulag Archipelago who couldn't condemn the party, even after being betrayed and sent to the gulag by their own beloved Stalin - because the revolution always eats its own. Their commitment to Marxist ideology was so extensive, that they couldn't give it up, without giving up their sense of themselves. I see a lot of similarities between those on the far left and committed Muslims. Blind, unthinking adherence to any ideology is stupid - yet it seems to be very attractive to a great deal of people.

Here is another essay from the same publication about isis' use of children in their terror efforts - it is disgusting.

https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/201...lamic-schools/
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Re: Examples of how the German Leftists are destroying their civilization

I have a few friends in Germany and I have Inlaws there.

The old are hard working. The young are listless, jaded and depressed. The culture has decayed. Women wait longer to marry. Men and women are enjoying the Bohemian culture of free love and all that this entails. It is not only Deutschland, but all of Europe. Prostitution is rampant in eastern Europe. Good jobs are scarce. Government subsidies are plentiful but not enough to live on.

France? Oh, boy!

Socialism only works in Norway and maybe Sweden. The oil revenues permit socialism, as long as the population remains very low.

Family values have been discarded. For the young, it is an exciting time to grow through but it is cultural suicide, for sure.

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Isn't being committed to ideals like freedom of religion, even at the risk of death a good thing? Isn't that what America is based on?

In any case, in the US, the risk is tiny. Even counting 9/11, deaths from terrorism are tiny compared to other risks that we happily accept (cars, guns etc).
When you take an ideal to the point that you are using it to wipe itself out of existence, it is not a good thing.

Person 1: "We should be tolerant towards people with differing ideas"
Person 2: "My ideology says all who don't agree with me must either convert to my ideology, pay a tax, or die!"
Person 1: "Your ideas are no better or worse than mine. I see no reason why you shouldn't be tolerated and defended."
Person 2: "Thank you. So, which will it be, conversion, tax or death?"
Person 1: "Well I think you should tolerate my ideology, none of those."
Person 2: "Death it is then."
Person 2 then proceeds to behead Person 1, then enslave his wife and daughters.

Yup. Tolerance is the answer here.
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I did too. But almost none of them were coming to Europe. They were washing up in Turkey. None of those boats made it to Germany. Some made it to Greece, and Italy is having a problem, but again, not with Syrian Refugees, but grown men from Africa looking for money.

I have imagined myself in the position of the Economic Migrants. I wouldn't be with them. If you want to know what I'd do if I lived in Syria, the answer is that I would already be dead. Because I'd have been one of those Orthodox Christians beheaded for not converting. And I'd have definitely gone down swinging.

If by miracle I weren't dead, I'd be doing the most heinous things you can imagine JLD. In fact, I doubt you, or most people in the West, could truly envision the atrocities I would commit for my family. (I don't think for a minute I would actually survive it)

Let me put this in your head. If my town were overrun by a bunch of Muslims intent on killing all gays and apostates, and the subjugation or death of all non-believers, I would oppose them. Violently. Quietly if possible.
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I haven't see a lot of beheadings in the US, or people calling for government mandated conversions.



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When you take an ideal to the point that you are using it to wipe itself out of existence, it is not a good thing.

Person 1: "We should be tolerant towards people with differing ideas"
Person 2: "My ideology says all who don't agree with me must either convert to my ideology, pay a tax, or die!"
Person 1: "Your ideas are no better or worse than mine. I see no reason why you shouldn't be tolerated and defended."
Person 2: "Thank you. So, which will it be, conversion, tax or death?"
Person 1: "Well I think you should tolerate my ideology, none of those."
Person 2: "Death it is then."
Person 2 then proceeds to behead Person 1, then enslave his wife and daughters.

Yup. Tolerance is the answer here.
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This is a problematic attitude to have. The issue nobody wants to deal with is the fact that these migrants are coming from places that are culturally a lot different and as such as unlikely to integrate well.

Where they come from women are seen as lesser beings that exist for mens' wants and have no actual worth as a human being. And they don't know how to interact with women because Muslim governments control how much interaction they can have with non relative females. So when they suddenly have women all around them they turn into the animals they are.

Germany and its neighbors are going to have to ask themselves if these are the kind of people they want coming into their country.
True, but that makes me wonder why feminists seem to be in favor of mass Muslim immigration. Can you explain that?


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When you take an ideal to the point that you are using it to wipe itself out of existence, it is not a good thing.

Person 1: "We should be tolerant towards people with differing ideas"
Person 2: "My ideology says all who don't agree with me must either convert to my ideology, pay a tax, or die!"
Person 1: "Your ideas are no better or worse than mine. I see no reason why you shouldn't be tolerated and defended."
Person 2: "Thank you. So, which will it be, conversion, tax or death?"
Person 1: "Well I think you should tolerate my ideology, none of those."
Person 2: "Death it is then."
Person 2 then proceeds to behead Person 1, then enslave his wife and daughters.

Yup. Tolerance is the answer here.
When I was a nationalist for my motherland on the steppes I shared a belief of mine that I guess I can share here:
"There can be no tolerance for intolerant beliefs", as was enforced by our Yassa in ancient times; churches/mosques/temples all side by side, anyone who disturbed the peace were publicly boiled alive, tied between four horses and ripped apart. The aspect of our cruelty so feared that our Empire ironically became the safest in the 13th century, until it all fell apart and civil warring began.

In reference to your example, the problem with person 1 isn't his ideology, the problem is that he doesn't have the fking balls to actually DEFEND his views. And I don't mean with words, or some pathetic "moral high ground", but by STRENGTH of ARMS. The ONLY, true decider of fates in this world.
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I assume you are being sarcastic?



Yes, the average human being regardless of what religion he's raised under doesn't give a crap about religion. It's those that do who are a problem. At the very least the intolerant teachings of Christianity doesn't go past bible bashing, condemning people to hell and ripping families apart, Islam however, is seven centuries outdated following a dead man's code of law designed to promote genocidal expansionism as well as civilising the subhuman pre-Mohammed Arabian culture. They were known for their cruelty, burying their own daughters alive and Mohammed despite his controversial laws today implemented the best compromise possible, sure it's great to attempt to teach basic humanity to a bunch of subhumans, but why the fk is it called a religion of peace? It's wiped out just as many cultures as Christianity, old, ancient civilisations were destroyed by Islam including the once very proud Persian cultures in Iran.

Still, I'll take bible bashers anyday over being woken up early every morning with loudspeakers calling everyone to pray for some imaginary figure. Islam should reform, or be destroyed along with crappy little Christian offshoots like Mormomism, Scientology, DeLevan Satanism and what not. Respect secular law, or be destroyed. Alas, the world is still fking PC as to keep the peace. Reformation took the lives of perhaps millions upon millions but that is the price no one seems to want to pay in the 21st century.
I don't think Mormonism, Scientology, or Satanism pose any threat to the US, so no, they should not be destroyed. You have heard of the 1st Amendment, I assume?

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Well, I don't really care about the U.S., more humanity as a whole, and as expected, my ideology will be different to others. I lean most strongly towards secularism, and when religion imposes on the rights of myself or others I spit on religion even if it grants me enemies. Modern day mainstream Christianity to me is how I like it, nice and tame, they still spread their intolerant BS but doesn't get past words and is a source of great ridicule and humor! Mormonism imposes on the rights of women just like bloody Islam likes to do, Scientology is just a well known bloody scam and even challenges your 1st amendment itself, LaVeyan Satanism isn't even freakin' "Satanism", yet it inspires folk to delve into the "occult" which for some reason seems to like to include child-abuse and baby f--king! Ha!

Yes, those off-shoots, even the minority of baby f--king "Satanists" can't compare with Islam where it's OFFICIAL religion, heck in Saudi women can't even drive. As much as I like to take the piss out of lady drivers for fun with their apparent lack of "spacial awareness", I like my daughter to drive, to wear as she likes, and to have a backbone to submit to no one. One day daddy won't be around, and I want her to tear someone's larynx out if he ever dares to threaten her. So no, I don't like these little offshoots around, but yes, I can see why one would tolerate them more than Islam.
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I haven't see a lot of beheadings in the US, or people calling for government mandated conversions.
Because we've kept the Muslim population in small numbers. And yet they disproportionately represent terrorism.

You know, your Dindu commentary is getting old really, really quick.

This is what Muslim Immigration looks like. They're fine until they've hit a significant enough portion of the population to feel safe in their beligerence, then it turns ugly fast.
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When you take an ideal to the point that you are using it to wipe itself out of existence, it is not a good thing.

Person 1: "We should be tolerant towards people with differing ideas"
Person 2: "My ideology says all who don't agree with me must either convert to my ideology, pay a tax, or die!"
Person 1: "Your ideas are no better or worse than mine. I see no reason why you shouldn't be tolerated and defended."
Person 2: "Thank you. So, which will it be, conversion, tax or death?"
Person 1: "Well I think you should tolerate my ideology, none of those."
Person 2: "Death it is then."
Person 2 then proceeds to behead Person 1, then enslave his wife and daughters.

Yup. Tolerance is the answer here.
There is the problem...right there....Some ideas just suck....there is a problem when we can;t just call a spade a spade.

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