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post #16 of 23 (permalink) Old 01-27-2017, 10:58 AM
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My family has 10 + 10 + 6 + 4 or 30 years in higher education, in a variety of universities, public and private, in different states.

You're imagining things...

But, just for kicks, how many years of postsecondary education do you have?
~3 years on 2 campuses. In 2 very red states, in 2 very red towns. And I can tell you that both campuses were very hostile to anything remotely moderate or conservative. AnCaps used to be tolerated better, but it appears they're on the outs now.

But yeah John, let's pretend this isn't widespread...
Students Arrested for Passing Out Pocket Constitutions on Michigan Community College Campus Sue School - Hit & Run : Reason.com
Yearly Gathering of English Profs Is Light on Shakespeare, Heavy on Environmental Justice - Hit & Run : Reason.com
https://emilyhegarty.mla.hcommons.org/
University of Oregon Suspended a Professor Who Had No Idea Her Halloween Costume Was Offensive - Hit & Run : Reason.com
Tufts University Student Government: Free Speech Resolution ?Harmful,? ?Unsafe? - Hit & Run : Reason.com
University Bullied Students to Change 'America' Theme Party Because Trump Won - Hit & Run : Reason.com
UPenn Created a Post-Election Safe Space Complete with Puppies and Coloring Books - Hit & Run : Reason.com
Colleges Cancelled Exams for Students Traumatized by Trump's Election - Hit & Run : Reason.com
No Campus for Young Conservatives: Yale and the Case Against Safe Spaces - Hit & Run : Reason.com
NYU Professor Criticized Trigger Warnings. Now He?s on Leave for the Semester. - Hit & Run : Reason.com

and on and on and on...

I understand, you've got a lot invested in academia. And you're Left-wing. So it would be both painful to admit and directly opposed to your interests. But it is what it is.

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Why can't our colleges and universities be places of strictly learning instead of hangouts for the far left? Maybe the end of the Obama administration will help to end that.
Ideologies vie for dominance. The Right is weak at the moment. But as GK Chesterton said "to be in the weakest camp is to be in the strongest school" The Left is intellectually lazy today, while the Right has been sharpening their tongues, improving their rhetoric, and forced to overcome actual obstacles for several decades, so there is a very good chance we will be seeing a swing to the right in the coming decades. We are in the same spot they were in 50-100 years ago. If we have the desire and strength of will, we can conquer them, much as they did us.
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There's 3000+ postsecondary institutions in the US. If they were all he11 bent on indoctrination the GOP would be competing with Jill Stein and Ralph Nader...

One of my kids prof was a curious mix, Cuban and Iranian. Had both flags in her office. Never once brought politics into discussion.

That's how it works. The right wing press finds some Mickey Mouse reason to roast education because some fringe prof decides to do this or that. So, the prof automatically becomes all of academia.

Knowledge is created and spread if we're willing to think outside the box. Regardless of subject.
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Restricting the free distribution of information is bad. Speech that is threatening or implies systematic discrimination is bad (eg suggests that groups will be treated in a biased fashion by people in power).

Its possible to avoid both of those problems. People on both the left and right can cause both of those problems. Neither provides and excuse for the other.
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There's 3000+ postsecondary institutions in the US. If they were all he11 bent on indoctrination the GOP would be competing with Jill Stein and Ralph Nader...

One of my kids prof was a curious mix, Cuban and Iranian. Had both flags in her office. Never once brought politics into discussion.

That's how it works. The right wing press finds some Mickey Mouse reason to roast education because some fringe prof decides to do this or that. So, the prof automatically becomes all of academia.

Knowledge is created and spread if we're willing to think outside the box. Regardless of subject.
Ummm... do you read Reason.com? They are Left-wing. Openly. Anti-Trump. Anti-Religion. Anti-Conservative. They just live up to the liberal idea of Freedom of Speech.

Spend some time on there before you jump to conclusions that are definitely inaccurate.

I had an Egyptian professor who demanded that all students agree that holding a door for someone is hateful, that being white is racist, and a number of other horribly ignorant things. Had a self-avowed Communist as an Econ Professor, who taught Communism instead of Economics. In a county that is 90% Republican by voting metric lol. Problem is that kids usually are weak willed, and refuse to oppose the strongest personality in the room. Usually, due to the nature of school, the teacher has the strongest, most authoritative posture.

Probably the closest thing to a "Conservative" view I saw from faculty was a very liberal, atheist Philosophy Professor. He was liberal, but damn if he wasn't opposed to Moral Relativism.

I've never been in a class where either the professor, or the class, was even remotely moderate, let alone Conservative. In an extremely Conservative area. My sisters graduated different Universities, and both of them had the same experience--sadly neither's brains survived the indoctrination so having a discussion with them is immediately a scream-fest or "You're a Nazi!". They went in with some basic understanding of logic, but when they left, it was gone. Hollow heads.

Now if you look at those links not only do we have a pattern... we have large organizations like MLA, where they are getting together not to discuss the teaching of English or English Lit, but environmental social justice... this is widespread. It is a cancer.
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Stopping the publishing of scientific papers is bad.
Wanting something to be true does not make it scientific fact. A true scientist analyzes data to form a theory, not select that data to "prove" you desired outcome.
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Wanting something to be true does not make it scientific fact. A true scientist analyzes data to form a theory, not select that data to "prove" you desired outcome.
This is a problem throughout the scientific community. We probably shouldn't discuss it though. A while back I got banned for commenting that scientists aren't that trustworthy or good at science, and that a few letters after your name have no real value in and of themselves. I even provided citations regarding the "Reproducibility Crisis" and the issues with peer review today. Dangerous to pick at the powers that be.

I've been worried I'll be seen as pushing too far on this thread. What is it the Asians say... "The Nail that sticks out gets the hammer"?
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Yes of course. While that does happen, I don't think anyone thinks its a good idea.

[/QUOTE=225985;17262954]Wanting something to be true does not make it scientific fact. A true scientist analyzes data to form a theory, not select that data to "prove" you desired outcome.[/QUOTE]
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