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Hear, hear.

You don't need lipitor, though, do you, john?
No, my cholesterol is actually lower than my wife's just an example.

Dr. Quack (my physician) recently signed me up for Invokana, a non generic medicine for diabetes (half dose for prevention since family history). Monthly cost for regular dose with HSA is $500 if you use our benefit administrator (Expletive Scripts) or $350 at Costco.

That's a freaking car payment. I talked to Dr. Quack and he was adamant that it works great. So far it makes me drink water like a fish.

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The point you miss John, is that there is more to life than money. That some things are worth more to some of us... that our financial interests aren't our only interests. This is something I see regularly in this thread.
Ideology can't magically drop your blood pressure...

I'm lucky we went thru sniffles / biopsy scares / accutane / braces / speech therapy / IC when it was cheap.

IC five years ago was $10 copay per session. Now $40.

At least I will die knowing that Blue Cross Blue Shield has a conference room (nah, probably just a restroom) named after my family after all they've paid out... 3 surgeries in 2015 with $250 each copay, NOT 20%.
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No, my cholesterol is actually lower than my wife's just an example.

Dr. Quack (my physician) recently signed me up for Invokana, a non generic medicine for diabetes (half dose for prevention since family history). Monthly cost for regular dose with HSA is $500 if you use our benefit administrator (Expletive Scripts) or $350 at Costco.

That's a freaking car payment. I talked to Dr. Quack and he was adamant that it works great. So far it makes me drink water like a fish.
Preventive medicine for diabetes? Type 2?

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We are here to take care of another, it's not about, "Why me?” It's about, “How can I use this in my practice to be mindful and help others". But in the same breath I will not if at ever possible choose to pay for another's harmful path... this is not judging his path, it is ensuring I am not a willing accomplice to their unmindfulness.

My cousin's husband was a 4-pack a day smoker (yes, 4) and now his weeks are cycled around doctors and hospitals. He is not working, they have little money, his health care is fully covered by a very generous system. It troubles me to know his choices tax a system that he wants to use to it's financial limits instead of accepting his self-inflicted demise.

Once the conditions are irreversible, letting go is important for both the individual and the system. I would wager that a month of his care would provide a thousand children basic services for a year... some sacrifices must be understood.

Very hard decisions to apply without sadness, but better for all is an individual choice.
Isn't this ever the truth.. addictions destroy our bodies leading to horrible sad ending many times....I had an alcoholic step father that died in a hospital, to hear my Mom speak he blew up like an unrecognized balloon...his liver inflated & all those ramifications from alcohol.. they had no insurance.. and he should have been in the VA hospital.. they were left with medical bills over $100,000... At the time she was freaking out.. I remember handling this making many calls...this was over 20 yrs ago now...they owned basically nothing, always rented.. one of those pathetic situations where you look at people for being a waste of society I guess..

I don't know.. I don't think we should spend thousands upon thousands to keep someone alive for a few months.. Not for that.. if there is no hope.. let them die in peace, surrounded by their loved ones.... but when there is HOPE, promise.. for a real future, a quality of life... like separating these twins...that's amazing !! Successfully separated conjoined Twins Jadon and Anias McDonald leave NYC Hospital .. just a beautiful story...

I wouldn't want to be making these decisions, but I would vote for the "quality" of life.. if there was hope for a normal life -given any procedure or heroic efforts......
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Ideology can't magically drop your blood pressure...

I'm lucky we went thru sniffles / biopsy scares / accutane / braces / speech therapy / IC when it was cheap.

IC five years ago was $10 copay per session. Now $40.

At least I will die knowing that Blue Cross Blue Shield has a conference room (nah, probably just a restroom) named after my family after all they've paid out... 3 surgeries in 2015 with $250 each copay, NOT 20%.
Taking daughter to her 1st Orthodontist appointment tomorrow.. cost for braces $3,800. I always compare it to buying another car.. we generally pay less for a used car.

Insurance will pay $1,000 over the next couple years.. so if he gets laid off before that - we'll be on the hook for much of that 1,000 .. kinda sucks.. but yet I am happy we can afford these for our kids... I never had braces and I've always been ashamed of my crooked gapped teeth.
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Taking daughter to her 1st Orthodontist appointment tomorrow.. cost for braces $3,800. I always compare it to buying another car.. we generally pay less for a used car.

Insurance will pay $1,000 over the next couple years.. so if he gets laid off before that - we'll be on the hook for much of that 1,000 .. kinda sucks.. but yet I am happy we can afford these for our kids... I never had braces and I've always been ashamed of my crooked gapped teeth.
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You are beautiful, inside and out.
My husband is a little more honest over you @jld ....he just tells me they give me "character"... ha ha
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Ideology can't magically drop your blood pressure...

I'm lucky we went thru sniffles / biopsy scares / accutane / braces / speech therapy / IC when it was cheap.

IC five years ago was $10 copay per session. Now $40.

At least I will die knowing that Blue Cross Blue Shield has a conference room (nah, probably just a restroom) named after my family after all they've paid out... 3 surgeries in 2015 with $250 each copay, NOT 20%.
Indeed. And no amount of Lipitor will ever make you or your progeny more free.

Memento Mori.

Do you hear the people sing / Lost in the valley of the night?
It is the music of a people / Who are climbing to the light.
For the wretched of the earth / There is a flame that never dies.
Even the darkest night will end / And the sun will rise...
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My husband is a little more honest over you @jld ....he just tells me they give me "character"... ha ha
He is not a bit more honest than I am.

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Preventive medicine for diabetes? Type 2?
Not the insulin dependent type. I've been borderline for a decade and the numbers aren't moving up or down, so Dr. Quack feels I have to do something.

Same doctor who rails at 130 lb 5 ft 7 wife to lose weight 🏆🚑...

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Both my daughters have dental work that approaches the Trump wall for total cost...

Again, paid by the dental fairy back then..
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Not the insulin dependent type. I've been borderline for a decade and the numbers aren't moving up or down, so Dr. Quack feels I have to do something.

Same doctor who rails at 130 lb 5 ft 7 wife to lose weight 🏆🚑...
John, you are about 20 lbs overweight, right? Just losing that could take you off that med.

Just something to think about.

Okay, going to ask, though you certainly need not answer: What are your blood sugar numbers?

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Indeed. And no amount of Lipitor will ever make you or your progeny more free.

Memento Mori.
Free?

(Professor mode on - OK OK graduate teaching fellow mode on)

When you consider different outcomes, it is a good idea to consider not only the outcome but the probability of the item occuring, and the end result.

So.... In the left corner we have Freedom. There's a chance that we will all pay 50% taxes to pay for my generic lipitor, grandma's hip replacement, and my wife's brain transplant. We will be slaves to the evil government. Great. We'll still be alive, John will eat a few bowls of gumbo, grandma will dance the jitterbug, and my wife will actually have emotions!!! Vs. slavery? Not a bad compromise.

Without health care, in the right corner with probability more than 50% I'm dead, grandma is dead, and wife's a zombie. Dead and free.... Zombie and free... Hmmm. I don't think so Tim.

The Lefts have it I'm afraid. When you reach my age the concept of greater good may actually sink in. It sank in to my younger one who wants to do Doctors Without Borders.
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Yes my post was directed at you.

I agree that: If you don't have a car, you shouldn't pay for car insurance.

Thing is, unless your bio-chassis is truly remarkable, you WILL eventually need health care. Thing is health care is similar to life insurance. The system doesn't work if you wait until you 'need it', to buy it.

Try buying life or health insurance after getting diagnosed with cancer.

As to the word games you are playing with 'justice' vs 'fairness', I don't know what you mean.

As far as my view of us being in this adventure called life together - I do believe it. Its ok that you think otherwise.

Far as your grasp of insurance goes, the fact that you compare auto insurance for a non car owner, to health insurance for a young healthy (at this moment in time) person, tells me all I need to know.


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If you think I don't know what insurance is, or how it works, then you are terribly mistaken.

I don't know what you're carrying on about fairness for. Was that aimed at someone else? You'll note I said nothing about fairness. Life isn't fair. Hopefully, though, our social constructs, such as laws are JUST though. Don't confuse the 2. They aren't even remotely related.

What you're missing, in your comparison on car insurance, is what if I don't own a car? Do I have to pay it anyways? No. To demand someone pay for something do not have, and could never conceivably use isn't unfair, it is unjust. Regardless of this, you too have completely missed my point in this thread. You are interested in governments telling you how to live your life (well, telling others, they'd never do that to you /sarcasm) and have no interest in things like freedom.

It's about more than money MEM. I don't have some illusion that I'm entitled to any service. If that's something you can't conceive, I don't know what to tell you. Perhaps you should read some Thomas Paine, Montesquieu, Jefferson, and other Enlightenment thinkers?

We aren't all "in this together". You don't believe that. Not for a second. It's a platitude that you spout because it sounds intellectual--and if you take the time to think on it, you'll see that the sound is hollow.
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In the US, at 4 packs/day he would have been paying $7,000 a year in taxes. Thirty plus years of that pays for a lot of extra health care.



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We are here to take care of another, it's not about, "Why me?” It's about, “How can I use this in my practice to be mindful and help others". But in the same breath I will not if at ever possible choose to pay for another's harmful path... this is not judging his path, it is ensuring I am not a willing accomplice to their unmindfulness.

My cousin's husband was a 4-pack a day smoker (yes, 4) and now his weeks are cycled around doctors and hospitals. He is not working, they have little money, his health care is fully covered by a very generous system. It troubles me to know his choices tax a system that he wants to use to it's financial limits instead of accepting his self-inflicted demise.

Once the conditions are irreversible, letting go is important for both the individual and the system. I would wager that a month of his care would provide a thousand children basic services for a year... some sacrifices must be understood.

Very hard decisions to apply without sadness, but better for all is an individual choice.
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