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Understand it is "repeal" and replace. Not repeal and dump the entire system.
That would all be well and good if the GOP had worked out the replacement part and passed those bills through Congress BEFORE they started repealing the various parts. It can take FOREVER to work those things out and get them through all the bureaucracy, and in the meantime there's a big gap in coverage for a lot of people. Starting the repeal process before a replacement plan was ready was a really bad idea and wasn't thought through. It wouldn't have killed the GOP to wait a little bit on the repeal.


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First, congress passed a budget resolution to defund aspects of the ACA that are directly funded.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.ab6842574f95


Second, The President issued an executive order to undo items that are not statutory.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.f9d827218f56


Third, the process is not over because only congress and change the law and there is not agreement yet on what should be done.

For someone that home schools you should really keep up with the news and learn how to use google.
Thanks, meson. These things are not always clear. There can be contradictory, or lack of detailed, information.

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So, when Republicans used to talk about Death Panels, they were really talking about their own agenda. Now, Republicans ARE the Death Panel. Unless you're rich, your life isn't worth much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel

Gingrich claims health care reform includes 'Death Panels' | PolitiFact Georgia

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So, when Republicans used to talk about Death Panels, they were really talking about their own agenda. Now, Republicans ARE the Death Panel. Unless you're rich, your life isn't worth much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel

Gingrich claims health care reform includes 'Death Panels' | PolitiFact Georgia
The fact that they actually suggested HSAs as a replacement for ACA is laughable. Only the top 1% (or maybe 5%) could afford to pay their healthcare bills using an HSA and no health insurance. The rest of America would go bankrupt.

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So, when Republicans used to talk about Death Panels, they were really talking about their own agenda. Now, Republicans ARE the Death Panel. Unless you're rich, your life isn't worth much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel

Gingrich claims health care reform includes 'Death Panels' | PolitiFact Georgia
I still haven't come out of hiding yet from those death panels that Sarah Palin warned us about....
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The fact that they actually suggested HSAs as a replacement for ACA is laughable. Only the top 1% (or maybe 5%) could afford to pay their healthcare bills using an HSA and no health insurance. The rest of America would go bankrupt.
I am just amazed anyone would vote for those people. Talk about voting against your own interests . . . and your neighbor's.

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I still haven't come out of hiding yet from those death panels that Sarah Palin warned us about....
You're a smart man. They're still looking for you ...

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I am just amazed anyone would vote for those people. Talk about voting against your own interests . . . and your neighbor's.
Because ACA isn't in a lot of our interests. Especially if you're a Liberty minded individual. I've stated repeatedly that ACA was damaging to me. It's been damaging to most single men my age. It is a horrible monstrosity.

What does it say about a person, if they think their only interest is money, JLD? If that's the only metric they measure by? Or the most important?

Now, the R's aren't going to just repeal it (sadly) they are going to replace it. Here's Rand Paul's Senate Bill (which may or may not go anywhere) Full Text Here

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Because ACA isn't in a lot of our interests. Especially if you're a Liberty minded individual. I've stated repeatedly that ACA was damaging to me. It's been damaging to most single men my age. It is a horrible monstrosity.

What does it say about a person, if they think their only interest is money, JLD? If that's the only metric they measure by? Or the most important?

Now, the R's aren't going to just repeal it (sadly) they are going to replace it. Here's Rand Paul's Senate Bill (which may or may not go anywhere) Full Text Here
It is in your interest to be able to get any care you may need, kivlor. It is certainly in my interest for my family to get any care we may need, including my son who has had cancer twice.

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It is in your interest to be able to get any care you may need, kivlor. It is certainly in my interest for my family to get any care we may need, including my son who has had cancer twice.
People like to b!tch about anything they perceive as costing them money, until it directly benefits them. My mother b!tched and moaned about the ACA until my dad lost the job that had health insurance, and COBRA would have cost them an arm and a leg, and the health insurance plan through my mom's work is super crappy. The ACA is/was saving them thousands per year between premiums and reducing the cost of my dad's prescriptions, and when my mom figured that out, she changed her tune right quick.

I would rather pay into a plan that covers everyone and standardizes costs so that people can't be bankrupted by medical bills, even if it doesn't directly benefit me right now. You never know when you will need it. I never know when I will need it.


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People like to b!tch about anything they perceive as costing them money, until it directly benefits them. My mother b!tched and moaned about the ACA until my dad lost the job that had health insurance, and COBRA would have cost them an arm and a leg, and the health insurance plan through my mom's work is super crappy. The ACA is/was saving them thousands per year between premiums and reducing the cost of my dad's prescriptions, and when my mom figured that out, she changed her tune right quick.

I would rather pay into a plan that covers everyone and standardizes costs so that people can't be bankrupted by medical bills, even if it doesn't directly benefit me right now. You never know when you will need it. I never know when I will need it.
Amen, FIP.

When are people going to realize we are all in this together?

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It also means, if it ever gets repealed, that those on welfare would not be covered anymore. That would be a good thing. Why should taxpayers get saddled with providing healthcare for those who won't work. It's bad enough there's so much welfare fraud. The ACA was a terrible idea and a horrible way to spend taxpayers dollars.
I think your assumption that everybody on welfare won't work is completely off base. They are in the minority. There is also a huge percentage of the population that is employed but doesn't get health insurance with their job.

Taxpayers provide healthcare for those not fortunate enough to have a good job and insurance through their employers because this is supposed to be a civilized society and not some 3rd world country where we just abandon the low income or sick to suffer and die.

Now if we were to get the health insurance companies out of the loop and negotiate the drug prices down to the same levels that other countries pay then we could afford healthcare for all.
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People like to b!tch about anything they perceive as costing them money, until it directly benefits them. My mother b!tched and moaned about the ACA until my dad lost the job that had health insurance, and COBRA would have cost them an arm and a leg, and the health insurance plan through my mom's work is super crappy. The ACA is/was saving them thousands per year between premiums and reducing the cost of my dad's prescriptions, and when my mom figured that out, she changed her tune right quick.

I would rather pay into a plan that covers everyone and standardizes costs so that people can't be bankrupted by medical bills, even if it doesn't directly benefit me right now. You never know when you will need it. I never know when I will need it.
Blah blah blah. All those who disagree with my politics are doing it because they are ignorant and greedy. Blah blah blah.

Great job missing the entire point of my post and completely mischaracterizing me. I'd do the same to you but the mods have made it clear this week that feminists are above criticism.

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It's amazing to me that so many people seem to think that before the ACA they didn't pay for everyone else's health care.

News flash: your did. Until you refuse care and turn people away from the ER you're paying.

And health care is something we all eventually need, so it's in everyone's interest to contribute.

So the question is how best to manage the damages.

Besides, we all pay for others for lots of stuff. I have two kids and the family rate for me is the same as for people that choose to have 8 kids. Why should I subsidize that?

Maybe I'm morally opposed to paying for people who drink their liver to death or people who stuff their faces and get diabetes. Can I opt out of contributing?

Nope, because I'm part of society.

Because when you live in and participate in society you contribute to the greater good.

There's a little to much hooray for me and screw you going on in the Republican party.

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Our health care system is broken now but it was broken in 2008 as well. I actually gave ACA a chance because our GDP was already so much higher that almost every other country including those with really good systems. But things need to change because in 2008 our health care was 15% GDP (too high) and now it's 17% GDP (even worse).

So yea we need some things repealed but at least now the system isn't completely stagnant to being changed. That's a good thing.

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