Divorce, Remarriage, Christianity. - Page 8 - Talk About Marriage
Politics and Religion This is the place to discuss politics, morality, religion, and anything controversial.

User Tag List

 158Likes
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
post #106 of 227 (permalink) Old 01-31-2017, 11:10 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: UK
Posts: 1,503
Re: Divorce, Remarriage, Christianity.

Quote:
Originally Posted by As'laDain View Post
i know a guy who actually married sisters. they had the same wedding ceremony. he married the other sister because she could not conceive children after having a hysterectomy due to cancer. his in-laws were ecstatic when he asked to marry them both. they thought the barren sister would never get married. a barren woman is not marriage material in their country. he originally just intended to take care of the barren one and provide a comfortable life for her, but it was difficult for her to accept that she would never have a husband in every sense of the word, so yea... he now dates both of his wives and has sex with them. his wives are quite happy with the arrangement. I would be hard pressed to find anything unrighteous about his decisions. what would really be unrighteous would be to tell him that he has to cast off one of his wives, seeing as they both love him.

so far as two becoming one flesh, its also stated that anyone who has sex with a prostitute becomes one flesh with her. 1 corinthians 6:16. from what i am seeing in the bible, nothing indicates that either marriages is invalid. the bible seems to say "dont do it", but seems to recognize that even if you do, its a valid marriage.

i know the catholic church has stated that anyone converting to christianity must cast off all but one wife, but is that found anywhere in the bible?
If he isnt a christian he is free to live as he likes.
In the NT we are told, 'let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband'. We are also told to be faithful to our wife/husband(singular).
Not sure how you can be faithful to you wife/husband if you live with 2 women/men?

In normal situations if they converted with more than one wife, I would suggest that the one he married first was his wife, and the other his lover.In most countries its illegal to have more that one wife or husband anyway.

Diana7 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #107 of 227 (permalink) Old 01-31-2017, 01:08 PM
Member
 
Bibi1031's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: texas
Posts: 1,684
Re: Divorce, Remarriage, Christianity.

Quote:
Originally Posted by As'laDain View Post
i know a guy who actually married sisters. they had the same wedding ceremony. he married the other sister because she could not conceive children after having a hysterectomy due to cancer. his in-laws were ecstatic when he asked to marry them both. they thought the barren sister would never get married. a barren woman is not marriage material in their country. he originally just intended to take care of the barren one and provide a comfortable life for her, but it was difficult for her to accept that she would never have a husband in every sense of the word, so yea... he now dates both of his wives and has sex with them. his wives are quite happy with the arrangement. I would be hard pressed to find anything unrighteous about his decisions. what would really be unrighteous would be to tell him that he has to cast off one of his wives, seeing as they both love him.
This is like comparing apples to oranges. That man didn't make the sisters a favor. He married them for his own desires and nothing righteous about it. If you marry a woman and that woman has brothers and sisters. Then her family becomes your family. The sister is forbidden fruit to THAT man. Why not just promise to care for his sister in law like a brother cares for a sister in desperate need of that help? This is not a church issue, this is a society issue. In his country, was this choice the norm or did he decide on the exception to the norm?

Good things come to those who wait...greater things come to those who get off their a$$ and do anything to make it happen.
Bibi1031 is offline  
post #108 of 227 (permalink) Old 01-31-2017, 01:29 PM
Member
 
Kivlor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Rural Midwest
Posts: 2,870
Re: Divorce, Remarriage, Christianity.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Diana7 View Post
If he isnt a christian he is free to live as he likes.
In the NT we are told, 'let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband'. We are also told to be faithful to our wife/husband(singular).
Not sure how you can be faithful to you wife/husband if you live with 2 women/men?

In normal situations if they converted with more than one wife, I would suggest that the one he married first was his wife, and the other his lover.In most countries its illegal to have more that one wife or husband anyway.
Wait, stop thinking about what is faithful. You should only use the Bible, not other sources like reason. You'd be making the mistake of the Catholics...

The Jesus said that to divorce your wife, and marry another is adultery, he said nothing about marrying 2 and keeping both.

1Timothy 3 only forbids clergy (overseer/deacon/bishop) from having more than 1 wife.

Do you hear the people sing / Lost in the valley of the night?
It is the music of a people / Who are climbing to the light.
For the wretched of the earth / There is a flame that never dies.
Even the darkest night will end / And the sun will rise...
Kivlor is online now  
 
post #109 of 227 (permalink) Old 01-31-2017, 01:34 PM
Member
 
Kivlor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Rural Midwest
Posts: 2,870
Re: Divorce, Remarriage, Christianity.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Diana7 View Post
I believe the word 'catholic' merely means universal, its not referring to the the RC church which I have many issues with. The church is any gathering of Gods people, His body on earth. It doesn't refer to a building or denomination.

In 40 years as a Christian I have only been to a RC church once, and that was for a wedding so I had little choice. I stay away because it has numerous unbiblical beliefs and teachings and some that are completely contrary to what the Bible says. Apart from them I would go to most denominations that were following God and His word, and where God was working among the people. theregdi and His worid
Yes. Which is why I said "Catholic (Roman or otherwise)", and not just Roman Catholic. There are several Catholic faiths, each agrees that there is but one Church. Some are in communion with each other, others not. Even the RCC admits that among the Catholic faiths, there are very few significant differences. They all share the Nicene Creed, which is the Profession of Faith, as has been custom and shared among them since the Council of Nicea in the 300's.

Do you hear the people sing / Lost in the valley of the night?
It is the music of a people / Who are climbing to the light.
For the wretched of the earth / There is a flame that never dies.
Even the darkest night will end / And the sun will rise...
Kivlor is online now  
post #110 of 227 (permalink) Old 01-31-2017, 02:09 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: UK
Posts: 1,503
Re: Divorce, Remarriage, Christianity.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bibi1031 View Post
This is like comparing apples to oranges. That man didn't make the sisters a favor. He married them for his own desires and nothing righteous about it. If you marry a woman and that woman has brothers and sisters. Then her family becomes your family. The sister is forbidden fruit to THAT man. Why not just promise to care for his sister in law like a brother cares for a sister in desperate need of that help? This is not a church issue, this is a society issue. In his country, was this choice the norm or did he decide on the exception to the norm?
I agree, its also weird that the parents thought it was ok as well.
Diana7 is offline  
post #111 of 227 (permalink) Old 01-31-2017, 02:11 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: UK
Posts: 1,503
Re: Divorce, Remarriage, Christianity.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kivlor View Post
Yes. Which is why I said "Catholic (Roman or otherwise)", and not just Roman Catholic. There are several Catholic faiths, each agrees that there is but one Church. Some are in communion with each other, others not. Even the RCC admits that among the Catholic faiths, there are very few significant differences. They all share the Nicene Creed, which is the Profession of Faith, as has been custom and shared among them since the Council of Nicea in the 300's.
Can you name these catholic faiths? Being that catholic merely means 'universal?'

The universal church is all of Gods children, all believers, all of His family.
Diana7 is offline  
post #112 of 227 (permalink) Old 01-31-2017, 02:41 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 976
Re: Divorce, Remarriage, Christianity.

Amazing what people will do because they fear a place called Hell. I'm still waiting on proof that Hell exists. Anyone?
GuyInColorado is online now  
post #113 of 227 (permalink) Old 01-31-2017, 03:03 PM
Member
 
Kivlor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Rural Midwest
Posts: 2,870
Re: Divorce, Remarriage, Christianity.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Diana7 View Post
Can you name these catholic faiths? Being that catholic merely means 'universal?'

The universal church is all of Gods children, all believers, all of His family.
I'll give you an example: Eastern Orthodox Catholics. There are over 20 Catholic Churches, of which Roman Catholicism is the largest.

Have you not heard of the Great Schism?

Do you hear the people sing / Lost in the valley of the night?
It is the music of a people / Who are climbing to the light.
For the wretched of the earth / There is a flame that never dies.
Even the darkest night will end / And the sun will rise...
Kivlor is online now  
post #114 of 227 (permalink) Old 01-31-2017, 03:04 PM
Member
 
Kivlor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Rural Midwest
Posts: 2,870
Re: Divorce, Remarriage, Christianity.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GuyInColorado View Post
Amazing what people will do because they fear a place called Hell. I'm still waiting on proof that Hell exists. Anyone?
Can you prove that this isn't all just a dream, and I'm not a head in a jar?

Do you hear the people sing / Lost in the valley of the night?
It is the music of a people / Who are climbing to the light.
For the wretched of the earth / There is a flame that never dies.
Even the darkest night will end / And the sun will rise...
Kivlor is online now  
post #115 of 227 (permalink) Old 01-31-2017, 03:17 PM
Member
 
Bibi1031's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: texas
Posts: 1,684
Re: Divorce, Remarriage, Christianity.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Diana7 View Post
Can you name these catholic faiths? Being that catholic merely means 'universal?'

The universal church is all of Gods children, all believers, all of His family.
You may wish to research this a little more yourself. Why ask when the answer is within a few clicks of a mouse? Wouldn't that be a better option? JMO of course!


Good things come to those who wait...greater things come to those who get off their a$$ and do anything to make it happen.
Bibi1031 is offline  
post #116 of 227 (permalink) Old 01-31-2017, 03:20 PM
Member
 
Bibi1031's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: texas
Posts: 1,684
Re: Divorce, Remarriage, Christianity.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GuyInColorado View Post
Amazing what people will do because they fear a place called Hell. I'm still waiting on proof that Hell exists. Anyone?
I hope you are waiting sitting down because why should it fall on your lap? Don't you have a brain and two fingers to type or two feet to walk and search for your own answers? Or did you post your question with your full knowledge of your answer? If you do know the answer and believe your answer, why pose that question?

Good things come to those who wait...greater things come to those who get off their a$$ and do anything to make it happen.
Bibi1031 is offline  
post #117 of 227 (permalink) Old 01-31-2017, 03:56 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: UK
Posts: 1,503
Re: Divorce, Remarriage, Christianity.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GuyInColorado View Post
Amazing what people will do because they fear a place called Hell. I'm still waiting on proof that Hell exists. Anyone?
I dont do anything out of fear of hell, I follow Jesus Christ out of love. Perfect love drives out fear.
Diana7 is offline  
post #118 of 227 (permalink) Old 01-31-2017, 03:57 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: UK
Posts: 1,503
Re: Divorce, Remarriage, Christianity.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bibi1031 View Post
You may wish to research this a little more yourself. Why ask when the answer is within a few clicks of a mouse? Wouldn't that be a better option? JMO of course!
I am ásking because there is no such thing as a 'catholic' faith except when it applies to the whole body of Christ.
Diana7 is offline  
post #119 of 227 (permalink) Old 01-31-2017, 03:58 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: UK
Posts: 1,503
Re: Divorce, Remarriage, Christianity.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kivlor View Post
I'll give you an example: Eastern Orthodox Catholics. There are over 20 Catholic Churches, of which Roman Catholicism is the largest.

Have you not heard of the Great Schism?
They are all similar to the RC's. The church of Christ is all believers, in all denominations.
Diana7 is offline  
post #120 of 227 (permalink) Old 01-31-2017, 05:00 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 40
Re: Divorce, Remarriage, Christianity.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.StrongMan View Post
Would you consider a spouse's refusal to continue sexual relations with her husband grounds for divorce?
In my opinion that's a form of abandonment, for which there is biblical warrant for divorce. Same with abuse. But these things all have degrees of course so I would plead with you to involve your pastor.
gr8ful1 is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on Talk About Marriage, you must first register. Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

Important! Your username will be visible to the public next to anything you post and could show up in search engines like Google. If you are concerned about anonymity, PLEASE choose a username that will not be recognizable to anyone you know.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
He says he wants divorce, I don't think he does and I sure don't fallen22 Going Through Divorce or Separation 138 03-31-2017 02:38 PM
Divorce advice needed life.is.pain Going Through Divorce or Separation 47 07-27-2016 09:59 PM
Divorce, over the precipice AvoidDivorce Going Through Divorce or Separation 20 07-03-2016 06:34 PM
Hope after signing divorce petition. Andy101 Going Through Divorce or Separation 47 02-16-2016 12:57 AM
Divorce, dating and going all the way Threeblessings Going Through Divorce or Separation 2 01-31-2016 02:56 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome