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In my opinion that's a form of abandonment, for which there is biblical warrant for divorce. Same with abuse. But these things all have degrees of course so I would plead with you to involve your pastor.
It is cruel abuse that's for sure. And I agree, abandonment.


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Would you consider a spouse's refusal to continue sexual relations with her husband grounds for divorce?

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They are all similar to the RC's. The church of Christ is all believers, in all denominations.
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I'm still waiting on proof that Hell exists. Anyone?
Gravity exists. I can't see it. I'm no math/physics wiz, but I assume there are computations that prove its existence. I'm not floating off the ground, so there ya go ... gravity exists. I worked with a group of astronomers and physicists at a state university. Lots of things they could not yet prove, but they somehow had a gut feeling about their theories regarding bodies of matter existing out in space.

Why should heaven or hell need proof of existence? People of all religions walk by faith, not by sight.

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I dont do anything out of fear of hell, I follow Jesus Christ out of love. Perfect love drives out fear.
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I agree, its also weird that the parents thought it was ok as well.
totally different cultures. its weird to a westerner, but in other places its common place.

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This is like comparing apples to oranges. That man didn't make the sisters a favor. He married them for his own desires and nothing righteous about it. If you marry a woman and that woman has brothers and sisters. Then her family becomes your family. The sister is forbidden fruit to THAT man. Why not just promise to care for his sister in law like a brother cares for a sister in desperate need of that help? This is not a church issue, this is a society issue. In his country, was this choice the norm or did he decide on the exception to the norm?
you are thinking like a westerner. a woman who cannot bear children is seen as a burden in their culture. three things that should never be delayed, according to their faith: prayer time, funeral preparations, and marrying off a young woman to a suitable partner. and since she was not considered marriage material, the family jumped on the chance to marry her off.

her family treated her like a burden, and even if he had sent them money to take care of her, it probably wouldn't have done her any good. so he married her and set her up with a monthly allowance, and took her out shopping for stuff anytime she needed or wanted anything. without marrying her, supporting her like that would have been practically impossible.

it was the fertile sister that convinced him to treat her barren sister as a regular wife, after he had already been supporting her in her own house for a year and a half. until then, he had never consummated the marriage to her because he didn't want to cause strife between the one he wanted to marry and her sister, who he agreed to marry so that he could take care of her, so as to keep the one he wanted to marry happy.

his choice was an exception to the norm. practically unheard of. in the end, he fell in love with both of them.

remember, we are talking about places where they still do honor killings...

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you are thinking like a westerner. a woman who cannot bear children is seen as a burden in their culture. three things that should never be delayed, according to their faith: prayer time, funeral preparations, and marrying off a young woman to a suitable partner. and since she was not considered marriage material, the family jumped on the chance to marry her off.

her family treated her like a burden, and even if he had sent them money to take care of her, it probably wouldn't have done her any good. so he married her and set her up with a monthly allowance, and took her out shopping for stuff anytime she needed or wanted anything. without marrying her, supporting her like that would have been practically impossible.

it was the fertile sister that convinced him to treat her barren sister as a regular wife, after he had already been supporting her in her own house for a year and a half. until then, he had never consummated the marriage to her because he didn't want to cause strife between the one he wanted to marry and her sister, who he agreed to marry so that he could take care of her, so as to keep the one he wanted to marry happy.

his choice was an exception to the norm. practically unheard of. in the end, he fell in love with both of them.

remember, we are talking about places where they still do honor killings...
No really thinking like a Westerner more like what is acceptable though out the world and what is not. That is why I stated it's more a society issue than a church issue. There are very few Christian religions that have allowed marriages of men with several wives through out the years. Just look at the mess the Mormons created with doing this in the USA and Mexico a couple of years back.

Usually that society or country accepts this as well. What country did he do this in and what religion granted the marriages?

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No really thinking like a Westerner more like what is acceptable though out the world and what is not. That is why I stated it's more a society issue than a church issue. There are very few Christian religions that have allowed marriages of men with several wives through out the years. Just look at the mess the Mormons created with doing this in the USA and Mexico a couple of years back.

Usually that society or country accepts this as well. What country did he do this in and what religion granted the marriages?
one of the predominantly Muslim countries, and Islam.

now here is the real kicker: they are now members of an underground church. they converted to Christianity several years ago. they have no church doctrine. just an old bible and a few close trusted friends.

its also a very common practice in africa. i have met people in Djibouti, Kenya, and Somalia who have married or know someone who has married a sibling pair, siblings being preferred for a second wife in those areas because it is believed that sisters are less likely to argue with each other. polygamy is common enough in africa that even christian churches are permitting it.

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And?
Many RC's think that theirs is the only 'true' church.

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you are thinking like a westerner. a woman who cannot bear children is seen as a burden in their culture. three things that should never be delayed, according to their faith: prayer time, funeral preparations, and marrying off a young woman to a suitable partner. and since she was not considered marriage material, the family jumped on the chance to marry her off.

her family treated her like a burden, and even if he had sent them money to take care of her, it probably wouldn't have done her any good. so he married her and set her up with a monthly allowance, and took her out shopping for stuff anytime she needed or wanted anything. without marrying her, supporting her like that would have been practically impossible.

it was the fertile sister that convinced him to treat her barren sister as a regular wife, after he had already been supporting her in her own house for a year and a half. until then, he had never consummated the marriage to her because he didn't want to cause strife between the one he wanted to marry and her sister, who he agreed to marry so that he could take care of her, so as to keep the one he wanted to marry happy.

his choice was an exception to the norm. practically unheard of. in the end, he fell in love with both of them.

remember, we are talking about places where they still do honor killings...
I have to wonder how they knew she was unable to have children?
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Why should heaven or hell need proof of existence? People of all religions walk by faith, not by sight.
People who have died and been bought back have been to a place they describe as hellish and it has changed their lives.
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I have to wonder how they knew she was unable to have children?

hysterectomy. cancer.

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People who have died and been bought back have been to a place they describe as hellish and it has changed their lives.
i had a near death experience once. heart stopped, doctors declared me dead, etc.

while i dont remember a specific place, i do remember looking back on my life and being so completely devastated that i had wasted my life worrying about stupid stuff and hating people for no other reason than because i hated myself.

i have said this before... the most painful thing i have ever experienced was to not only lose everything, but to realize that i never had any of it to begin with. i had lost my life and had never really lived.

it changed my life.

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one of the predominantly Muslim countries, and Islam.

now here is the real kicker: they are now members of an underground church. they converted to Christianity several years ago. they have no church doctrine. just an old bible and a few close trusted friends.

I'm not surprised at all because we still have polygamy going on in Utah with some Mormons as well. It's not accepted, but hidden and still active of course.




its also a very common practice in africa. i have met people in Djibouti, Kenya, and Somalia who have married or know someone who has married a sibling pair, siblings being preferred for a second wife in those areas because it is believed that sisters are less likely to argue with each other. polygamy is common enough in africa that even christian churches are permitting it.
Yes, it's a common practice in South Africa, but just take a look at the population of people that are considered Christian in South Africa itself? The numbers are extremely low. Doesn't it make sense that they compose their so called "Christian" faith to fit with the religions that are the majority there ( of which most accept polygamy of course. That as well as other taboos in the rest of the world)?

Just take a look at how Christianity started. Pretty much the same way before it even was called Christianity. It was during Jesus's life here on Earth and the early years after his death as well. Some of our biggest holidays are around those same pagan holidays til this day.

and now here's the kicker...what if it is the same God, but like always people perceive what they want to perceive as God speaking to them and allowing things that it really wasn't Him that allowed them. We are our worst enemies and we are so self deceiving. I am speaking from experience. I honestly thought my second husband was a God send. I deceived myself because it wasn't true. All those godly men in sheepskin like others have mentioned is true. They say God forgave them, but I honestly think most are being self deceived. No blame shifting that the devil made me do it, instead let's tell everyone that God made an exception to the rule with me...ha!

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