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moving this discussion here so as to end the thread jack going on in another thread, i would like to hear your thoughts on it.

is it ok to get divorced and then get married again? from what i can tell, the bible explicitly states that a woman is who marries again commits adultery. a man... causes the woman to commit adultery?
and any man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. so my question is...

so, is it a sin to marry a divorced woman? what are your thoughts?

for reference, here are some scriptures on the subject. feel free to add to the list.

Matthew 5:32
But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, brings adultery upon her. And whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Matthew 19:9
Now I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman, commits adultery.

Mark 10:11
So He told them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.

Luke 16:18
Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

1 Corinthians 7:10-11
To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband.
But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.


Romans 7:2-3
For instance, a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage.
So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.


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@As'laDain good questions. I know of all these verses and they are somewhat frightening.
I also know several pastors who were divorced and remarried because they claim their wives were unfaithful.

The verse the church I used to go to used

1 Corinthians 7:15 "But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace."

The sentence "God has called you to peace" was their rational if one partner left. I do not know where that justifies remarriage.

I am learning about annulments. I do not know if an annulment would allow me to remarry in the eyes of God. But it does bring me a bit of comfort. I was not married in my church. So my church does not recognize my marriage anyway. That would make it easier for me to get an annulment.
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@As'laDain good questions. I know of all these verses and they are somewhat frightening.
I also know several pastors who were divorced and remarried because they claim their wives were unfaithful.

The verse the church I used to go to used

1 Corinthians 7:15 "But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace."

The sentence "God has called you to peace" was their rational if one partner left. I do not know where that justifies remarriage.

I am learning about annulments. I do not know if an annulment would allow me to remarry in the eyes of God. But it does bring me a bit of comfort. I was not married in my church. So my church does not recognize my marriage anyway. That would make it easier for me to get an annulment.
but, are annulments scriptural? is there anything in the Bible that says that a marriage can be looked at as having never existed?

and that brings up another question... what does the bible say has to happen for a man and a woman to be considered married? blessed by a priest? hold a ceremony in a church? as far as i know, the bible doesn't have a single bit of guidance on that. from what i can tell, if two people choose to say they are married, the bible says nothing against it. they are married.

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but, are annulments scriptural? is there anything in the Bible that says that a marriage can be looked at as having never existed?

and that brings up another question... what does the bible say has to happen for a man and a woman to be considered married? blessed by a priest? hold a ceremony in a church? as far as i know, the bible doesn't have a single bit of guidance on that. from what i can tell, if two people choose to say they are married, the bible says nothing against it. they are married.
The only thing I think comes close to an annulment in the bible is

Matthew 19:8 Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.

But the verse above does not mention remarriage.

Let's get to the real question here. If a man or woman divorce and remarry do they go to hell when they die because they are adulterers... Isn't that really what we are afraid of?
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The only thing I think comes close to an annulment in the bible is

Matthew 19:8 Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.

But the verse above does not mention remarriage.

Let's get to the real question here. If a man or woman divorce and remarry do they go to hell when they die because they are adulterers... Isn't that really what we are afraid of?
i was just curious about the whole thing, really. i am an evangelical christian, and i have often wondered about how people can justify getting divorced and then getting remarried, while at the same time using scripture to denounce the lifestyles of others.

the bible is pretty clear that all sins can be forgiven save for blasphemy of the holy spirit, so i don't believe that someone who gets remarried and commits adultery is necessarily going to hell for it.

for the life of me though, i cannot understand why it would be a sin to marry someone who was abandoned by their spouse. obviously there is plenty of scripture that says it is.


personally, i look at alternative lifestyles kinda the same way i look at remarriage. the bible says not to, but people do it anyway. they can be great people, full of love, and yet still go against what the bible teaches.

i certainly dont think any less of them for it. the bible doesn't always make sense in today's society.

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moving this discussion here so as to end the thread jack going on in another thread, i would like to hear your thoughts on it.

is it ok to get divorced and then get married again? from what i can tell, the bible explicitly states that a woman is who marries again commits adultery. a man... causes the woman to commit adultery?
and any man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. so my question is...

so, is it a sin to marry a divorced woman? what are your thoughts?

for reference, here are some scriptures on the subject. feel free to add to the list.

Matthew 5:32
But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, brings adultery upon her. And whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Matthew 19:9
Now I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman, commits adultery.

Mark 10:11
So He told them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.

Luke 16:18
Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

1 Corinthians 7:10-11
To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband.
But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.


Romans 7:2-3
For instance, a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage.
So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.
In Catholicism, the real reason for the existence of Annulments is that they take the vows extremely seriously. If anyone can file for divorce, and they can justify it for themselves, they will. Look at any cheating spouse--they almost always justify their actions and it is the same with anyone divorcing. But your vow was before God, an oath of character, not a mere permission slip, granted by a local magistrate. The vow is until death. Not until you feel it is inconvenient.

In this light, RCC teaches that you can never divorce. What can happen is you can find out that your spouse never had any intention of keeping the vows they made, and never viewed marriage in a serious light, and that they indeed deceived you. In that case, a marriage never existed. Now, you cannot be expected to objectively determine this for yourself--you have too much involvement in it--and a third party (the Church) is the only right way to attempt to make that determination.

Now as an evangelical, this may not really resonate. RCC rejects the "every man his own priest" concept first laid down at the outset of the Protestant Reformation. Every flock needs a shepherd.
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@As'laDain good questions. I know of all these verses and they are somewhat frightening.
I also know several pastors who were divorced and remarried because they claim their wives were unfaithful.

The verse the church I used to go to used

1 Corinthians 7:15 "But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace."

The sentence "God has called you to peace" was their rational if one partner left. I do not know where that justifies remarriage.

I am learning about annulments. I do not know if an annulment would allow me to remarry in the eyes of God. But it does bring me a bit of comfort. I was not married in my church. So my church does not recognize my marriage anyway. That would make it easier for me to get an annulment.
An annulment is really for marriages that were never consummated. The RC church gives annulments because they wont give divorces, even though they are basically the same thing. I can see no where where God says we can get an annulment, its another man made idea which is completely unbiblical.

If you were divorced because of any sort of sexual immorality, then I cant see why remarriage cant happen. IF your spouse left and abandoned you and/or divorced you against your will, then again you haven't sinned. God always recognises a divorce as ending a marriage in the Bible, and women then always remarried because they would have been destitute if they didn't.

Also there is forgiveness even for the guilty spouse if there is true repentance. Our sins are wiped away and God loves to give us fresh starts and new beginnings.

We are both previously divorced after long first marriages. Both for different types of pornea that our former spouses did. We are now happily married and we know we were bought together by God.We have had many words given to us by God through others of what God will use us for together. He has restored to us all that we lost and so much more.

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but, are annulments scriptural? is there anything in the Bible that says that a marriage can be looked at as having never existed?

and that brings up another question... what does the bible say has to happen for a man and a woman to be considered married? blessed by a priest? hold a ceremony in a church? as far as i know, the bible doesn't have a single bit of guidance on that. from what i can tell, if two people choose to say they are married, the bible says nothing against it. they are married.
We all know what we need to do to get married according to the country and culture we live in. Paul says 'get married', he doesn't say 'move in together'.

We were married outside a church due to circumstances at the time, but God is everywhere and He hears us make our promises in or out of church. We are still married.
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In Catholicism, the real reason for the existence of Annulments is that they take the vows extremely seriously. If anyone can file for divorce, and they can justify it for themselves, they will. Look at any cheating spouse--they almost always justify their actions and it is the same with anyone divorcing. But your vow was before God, an oath of character, not a mere permission slip, granted by a local magistrate. The vow is until death. Not until you feel it is inconvenient.

In this light, RCC teaches that you can never divorce. What can happen is you can find out that your spouse never had any intention of keeping the vows they made, and never viewed marriage in a serious light, and that they indeed deceived you. In that case, a marriage never existed. Now, you cannot be expected to objectively determine this for yourself--you have too much involvement in it--and a third party (the Church) is the only right way to attempt to make that determination.

Now as an evangelical, this may not really resonate. RCC rejects the "every man his own priest" concept first laid down at the outset of the Protestant Reformation. Every flock needs a shepherd.
Does this mean also pertain if your spouse refuses sexual relations?

Your "every man his own priest" and "ever flock needs a shepherd" is a good one.
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and women then always remarried because they would have been destitute if they didn't.
That's very interesting! I never thought about that part. Yes, in biblical days women would be destitute if they did not have a husband! Very interesting!!!

Would you consider a spouse's refusal to continue sexual relations with her husband grounds for divorce?

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moving this discussion here so as to end the thread jack going on in another thread, i would like to hear your thoughts on it.

is it ok to get divorced and then get married again? from what i can tell, the bible explicitly states that a woman is who marries again commits adultery. a man... causes the woman to commit adultery?
and any man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. so my question is...

so, is it a sin to marry a divorced woman? what are your thoughts?

for reference, here are some scriptures on the subject. feel free to add to the list.

Matthew 5:32
But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, brings adultery upon her. And whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Matthew 19:9
Now I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman, commits adultery.

Mark 10:11
So He told them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.

Luke 16:18
Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

1 Corinthians 7:10-11
To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband.
But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.


Romans 7:2-3
For instance, a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage.
So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.
It is worth reflecting the on story of Lazarus. Jesus acts out of compassion, not for Lazarus, but for the owmen he left behind. The truth was, without him they had a terrible life in front of them. And so it was for any woman who was divorced, their lives would be wretched.
In your case, you wife has essentially ended the marriage. Marriage is after all a sexual union, in which if able you should be prepared to satisfy your partner physically. And, furthermore, your wife will not be reduced to begging in the streets.
Your best chance to save your marriage will only come when you start divorce in all sincerity. At the moment, she sees you as the harmless eunuch. If divorce looms, she may reconsider. Or not.
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The verses you quote seem to be crystal clear that remarriage after divorce is a sin. Where do you see ambiguity?
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The verses you quote seem to be crystal clear that remarriage after divorce is a sin. Where do you see ambiguity?
Except for 'pornea' Jesus says.
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The verses you quote seem to be crystal clear that remarriage after divorce is a sin. Where do you see ambiguity?
That's the sobering part.
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Except for 'pornea' Jesus says.
i have seen that as a justification for divorce, but where is it a justification for divorce and re-marriage?

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