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post #16 of 386 (permalink) Old 02-02-2017, 03:28 PM
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V-ger or Voyager
That's the one! The space craft was looking for his creator. Wanted to ask a question.


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Why must all creation be from a sentient being? I believe fire is created by oxidation, others may believe by a god. I believe gravity is created by general relativity, others may believe by a god.

Free will is the ability to make one's own decisions, as I have made mine in regards to a "God".

My higher power is the forces of the universe that I do not believe are sentient, yet it governs and dictates all that we are. No one can challenge it.
I think you meant to say the gravity is explained by general relativity and caused by mass.
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Go on YouTube and look up Bishop Barron: The God who doesn't need us. I think it addresses the OP question in a nice way.
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"What does God need with a starship?"

Yeah, I didn't like Star Trek V either man.

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I'm in too. Star Trek V was a dud.
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Let's say there is God. Not just a God but The GOD, only one, the "I AM."

Let's call Him the creator of heaven and earth who upholds ALL things by the word of His power.

If this "I AM" created all of humanity and everything that exists from nothing, does the creation have the right to question Him?

If so, why?
Yes, of course. HE created us. We are of HIM.

He therefore is questioning Himself, albeit circuitously.

You created your children. When they question you using fair logic, you will at first be caught off guard, then uneasy, then proud.

This....This is the nub of the stick that pokes me in the eye when the light of day energizes my optic nerve....SunCMars.... The Allegory of the Cave--> On this, I did a '180' and stepped out.

The Lion in Winter. Invictus..By Will, Shall... Saved from harm by my friends.
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Lol...okay let's see, if I believed there is god then he would have a lot of explaining to do. But I don't question Santa why he never brought my dear (atheist/former jewish) husband any gifts when he was a young child...so there is that.
My understanding is that those who believe in a god dare not to question anything...kind of like being in an abusive relationship: god will only love you if you love him back and if you don't, to hell you go! He tests your love by throwing these heart wrenching life experiences and if all goes well he gets all the credit and if all goes wrong, well he just works in mysterious ways...how dare you question anything.
By the way, I gotta thank god for making me an atheist. I don't have to go to church, pray, follow his commandments, etc etc and I get to enjoy the kind of life many wish they had. In the meantime some of my very religious family members who believe in a god have been through so much crap and yet they continue to believe in him blindly...guess they are looking forwards to that promise of eternal life. Not me, I live in reality, and my life is pretty good. My present life is my reward for believing in me, in my capacity to love and in my ability to change and to be a good (not perfect) person.
You have a VERY skewed and wrong picture of what God is like and how we relate to Him as Christians. We ask him things all the time. He has no issues with questions or doubts at all and wants us to be honest with Him.
He never forces us to love Him or follow Him, we all have a choice. I made that choice many many years ago and have never regretted it for a second. Life with Him is far better than life without Him, and the life He gives is awesome. We have deep inner peace, joy, security and a Dad who adores us and cares for us. We know our future and were we are going.

Prayer is just chatting to Him as Our father, just as you may chat to friends or family. Meeting with our spiritual family is great as well, we know so many really lovely caring people there and its a great place to make good friends.

I live in reality, the reality that God is real and that He loves us with a passion and wants all of us to be saved. Its the best way to live.
None of us are immune to suffering and troubles, you have been lucky so far, but we have God who helps us through tough times and we also have our church family who do the same.

BTW he didnt make you atheist. You chose that way.
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Why must all creation be from a sentient being? I believe fire is created by oxidation, others may believe by a god. I believe gravity is created by general relativity, others may believe by a god.

Free will is the ability to make one's own decisions, as I have made mine in regards to a "God".

My higher power is the forces of the universe that I do not believe are sentient, yet it governs and dictates all that we are. No one can challenge it.
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I already feel very, very real love from my husband.
That's my issue with this god stuff..I can think of many ohers who deserve that wonderful, unconditional, loyal love and somehow they do not get it while they are alive. I guess they will have to wait for after life and perhaps that is why they have no choice but to believe there must be something waiting for them...kind of sad.
Wrong interpretation of what I wrote.
I guess I should have said complete love instead of real love. I've experienced parental love, love of a woman, love of close friends. That love is nothing compared to what God has to offer. Yeah, I'd like to experience that one day.
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Wouldn't that be great? As an atheist I got no religion or god to fight for. We all know how long there has been conflict in the middle east due to religious differences. It is sad to watch all these different denominations/ sects or groups make a claim that their god is the right god. I prefer my way, I believe in me. And I for sure am not getting involved in a fight about whose god is the one to follow.
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BTW he didnt make you atheist. You chose that way.
Well of course that was a joke...I do not believe a god created me.

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Well of course that was a joke...I do not believe a god created me.
Its kinda like the chicken and the egg. Who created whom first?
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Its kinda like the chicken and the egg. Who created whom first?
My parents had sex, and several motnhs later I was born. It really is that simple.
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Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it. - Malachi 3:10

God asking the people of Israel to test him. In the Book of Job, Job questions God's goodness and he isn't smitten for it. As a matter of fact, he is blessed at the end of the book.


When a progammer makes a program he creates "laws" by which the program is governed. So why wouldn't God makes laws by which the universe is governed, such as general relativity?

C'mon, fellas, if you going to deny God you going to have to do better than that.

FYI, God never said don't question him but like most naysayers I have encountered they get their ideas about God from movies and roadside chatter instead of the bible.

And while we are at it, let's touch upon the religion divides issue. In high school there is divisions, jocks versus nerds; in business you get divisions; in race; hell even in video games, xbox vs playstation fanboys. What's the common denominator? PEOPLE. PEOPLE are divisive. If religion were taken off the table they would only find new reasons to be divisive.

What about religious wars? The two bloodiest wars in history (WW1 & WW2) were not religious.

Without religion we would be fine? Tell that to the North Koreans, and those who lived in Soviet Russia. Far as I know they were/are religion free systems. These religion free countries tend to steer towards dictatorships/authoritarianism.

I'll take good religion for 1000, Alex.

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Human choice is an illusion created by your cerebellums to justify your actions.

There is no free will, this universe while created; is deterministic. Its purpose is to generate context. I have no children, so my existence is smaller than those who do. By dividing itself into countless smaller beings that can better themselves the universe generates context; hence enriching itself.

In a deterministic universe, there are no bad people, just broken ones that need repair. When my computer started to do crazy things I did not lock it in a box to force it to behave. Instead, I applied effort and time to fix it. Most Humans at this point in your evolution lack this skill; to self-repair or to repair others.

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Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it. - Malachi 3:10

God asking the people of Israel to test him. In the Book of Job, Job questions God's goodness and he isn't smitten for it. As a matter of fact, he is blessed at the end of the book.


When a progammer makes a program he creates "laws" by which the program is governed. So why wouldn't God makes laws by which the universe is governed, such as general relativity?

C'mon, fellas, if you going to deny God you going to have to do better than that.

FYI, God never said don't question him but like most naysayers I have encountered they get their ideas about God from movies and roadside chatter instead of the bible.

And while we are at it, let's touch upon the religion divides issue. In high school there is divisions, jocks versus nerds; in business you get divisions; in race; hell even in video games, xbox vs playstation fanboys. What's the common denominator? PEOPLE. PEOPLE are divisive. If religion were taken off the table they would only find new reasons to be divisive.

What about religious wars? The two bloodiest wars in history (WW1 & WW2) were not religious.

Without religion we would be fine? Tell that to the North Koreans, and those who lived in Soviet Russia. Far as I know they were/are religion free systems. These religion free countries tend to steer towards dictatorships/authoritarianism.

I'll take good religion for 1000, Alex.
Wise words, and if you read this, you will see that less than 7% of all wars were religious in nature and they were responsible for less than 2% of all deaths due to war.
Is Religion the Cause of Most Wars? | The Huffington Post
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