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post #376 of 386 (permalink) Old 02-13-2017, 12:29 PM Thread Starter
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One pleasure you have missed out on, is truly knowing God. Instead you have allowed your relationship with him to be mediated by other men. But if it makes you happy, enjoy it. Who am I to say otherwise.
What have you gleaned about God that I have been unable to?

Where or whom did you learn this from?

Also, if man wrote the bible for his own benefit and for his own devises, why make man less than nothing in this book?
Man always puffs himself up. Why not in this book he wrote for his own benefit?

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What have you gleaned about God that I have been unable to?
Truth
Where or whom did you learn this from?
God
Also, if man wrote the bible for his own benefit and for his own devises, why make man less than nothing in this book?
Where does it do that? In fact, if you read it, you will see that men (especially certain men aka holy men) are constantly God's instrument. Far from being nothing, they are actually God's representatives on earth
Man always puffs himself up. Why not in this book he wrote for his own benefit?
Yes, he does puff himself up. Even to the point of attributing wholly human qualities to God - qualities like Love, Forgiveness, etc. Then man uses these human attributes to control believers, further puffing themselves up. Sorry you have fallen for the trap of religion, but so have millions of others over the centuries.

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Yes, he does puff himself up. Even to the point of attributing wholly human qualities to God - qualities like Love, Forgiveness, etc. Then man uses these human attributes to control believers, further puffing themselves up. Sorry you have fallen for the trap of religion, but so have millions of others over the centuries.
So you speak directly to God?
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I am in constant contact with God, because the creator is all around me.

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I am in constant contact with God, because the creator is all around me.
If it smells really bad...it isn't god...well, probably.
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If it smells really bad...it isn't god...well, probably.
Even if it smells bad, it is still a gift from God. I actually relish smelling the freshly spread pig manure on the fields. it is a sure sign that spring is just around the corner. Winter is done around here. We can stick a fork in it. The days are getting longer. I was at a property yesterday and the hyancinths are sprouting. I have seen numerous blue jays and several male cardinal. Yesterday, the earth worms were out after a rainy night. In addition the skunks are out and about. I haven't seen any road kill yet. But it is only a matter time.

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I believe in God.
I'm thankful for the small time I've been given.
I question all the time why things have to happen like they do.
But do I think about truly questioning HIM about all the rottenness that happens? How he runs things? Nope.
I realize that my tent intellect could even begin to handle the answer.
It would be like a kindergartner questioning a math phD about some number that could only be derived through complex algebra that a kindergartner couldn't possibly understand.
My ruling guide tells me God basically spoke things into existence. That even being in His presence turned Moses' hair white and gave him an odd "glow".

Perhaps I'm not as enlightened as some, but I'm smart enough to know I'm not smart enough to even begin to understand an answer from the Grand architect about how he runs things.

I'm content to just do my best and keel over and die when it's my time. I don't hope for some reward for trying to follow my beliefs. I don't really fear "hell".
I do hope that one day after I'm gone, whatever is left of me will be able to understand some of the questions we wish we had the answers to, and get to hang out with people who don't have greed, lust, betrayal, lying, etc,, anywhere in their being--- it all gets cleaned out and fixed, including mine.
Childish idea maybe, but if I'm wrong, what's the point in a single person ever existing?
I do believe in Jesus, also.
And I can't imagine ever dying and standing in judgement before God without Him there with me.
Don't you guys that don't believe want to feel what REAL love feels like? Better even than what a loving parent has for their child?
Or what REAL loyalty looks like?
I do, so I'll keep my faith and hope in one day seeing these things.
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I already feel very, very real love from my husband.
That's my issue with this god stuff..I can think of many others who deserve that wonderful, unconditional, loyal love and somehow they do not get it while they are alive. I guess they will have to wait for after life and perhaps that is why they have no choice but to believe there must be something waiting for them...kind of sad.
I can see where Both of you are coming from... I dearly love the spirit of @Evinrude58 's post ..yet at the same time... LIFE IS SO NOT FAIR !@# ...how do we just accept this so easily... I can't...

I want to believe there is something afterwards for those who have been screwed so badly HERE.. to no fault of their own.. take for instance the Elephant Man.. what he endured in this life.. or children who get cancer & die before they reach adulthood, who are abused growing up, left with scars that never heal.... where is GOD for them, where is God for those who are born in poverty, starving, it seems no one cares... it is comforting to "believe" that someday... all of this will pass, and the innocent souls who suffered HERE will be comforted, get their happiness too......

I think mankind needs to comfort ourselves to get through this life sometimes, "Faith" in something bigger than ourselves allows this.. but still I can't buy that any Holy book has it right.. I call myself a Deist.. it's somewhere between belief & Non.. it believes SOMETHING created all of this, It is a beautiful world on the one hand.. but survival calls for killing to sustain ourselves too.. I just don't have the answers or have enough faith to believe what I have been taught growing up in the church...it's always warred against my mind...

I have more faith in the love I feel from my husband than I do that God loves us more than the sparrows (Matt 10:31)... I have seen too many suffer who live "rightly" and far too many who get away with Evil in this life who prosper ....it sickens me and taints my belief....IF a GOD has all the power, then he refuses to use it, how can we say he cares...

So then it comes to free will... it makes more sense that HE Created mankind with the Power ...and we, in our ignorance and selfishness will destroy the world we have been given.. A Deist would buy that scenario..

Many of us struggle with this...



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I want to mention one thing.

I have been posting on this site for a couple years, mainly in the "sex in marriage" forum.
One thing I have always struggled with was porn. On and off since puberty. In the recent past I have been trying to convince myself that porn was ok in marriage providing that both husband and wife agreed to it. A couple weeks before and during the time I have been posting on this "God" thread, I have not watched any porn at all.

Ever since I stopped the porn completely I have noticed that my ability to control my HD desire for my wife has moderated. In other words, I don't "need" sex as much as I used to. I am no longer a panting dog begging for scraps. I am in control. Our steady Tuesday and Friday sex still stands, but if something comes up, an illness or an event, making it impractical to have sex, I'm ok. No problemo.

I feel more free without porn. I feel stronger and more apt to relate to other people in a kinder gentler way.

Certainly porn will not go away and I am certain I will struggle with it till the day I die. However, I thought this thread was a flop because no one who disagreed, changed his/her mind.
Regardless of that fact, God took something that I thought did nothing and did something good with it. It changed my view of porn and I was strengthened.

So, the bottom line is, this thread may not have helped YOU, but it did help me.

All glory to God!

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[28] And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
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I want to mention one thing.

I have been posting on this site for a couple years, mainly in the "sex in marriage" forum.
One thing I have always struggled with was porn. On and off since puberty. In the recent past I have been trying to convince myself that porn was ok in marriage providing that both husband and wife agreed to it. A couple weeks before and during the time I have been posting on this "God" thread, I have not watched any porn at all.

Ever since I stopped the porn completely I have noticed that my ability to control my HD desire for my wife has moderated. In other words, I don't "need" sex as much as I used to. I am no longer a panting dog begging for scraps. I am in control. Our steady Tuesday and Friday sex still stands, but if something comes up, an illness or an event, making it impractical to have sex, I'm ok. No problemo.

I feel more free without porn. I feel stronger and more apt to relate to other people in a kinder gentler way.

Certainly porn will not go away and I am certain I will struggle with it till the day I die. However, I thought this thread was a flop because no one who disagreed, changed his/her mind.
Regardless of that fact, God took something that I thought did nothing and did something good with it. It changed my view of porn and I was strengthened.

So, the bottom line is, this thread may not have helped YOU, but it did help me.

All glory to God!

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[28] And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
Thats very encouraging. Porn use is so destructive and damaging both for the one doing it and for their spouse and marriage. Its also damages your relationship with God because of the guilt and knowledge that its not what God wants you to do.
The more we feed these things the worse they get, as you have discovered.
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Ump,

You really don't know whose minds were changed or how. That's part of the story of this thread. We don't know why God allows things to happen. We don't know who is going to be tested. Even the most reverent believer who has been rewarded generously may be tested.

Sometimes a seed will fall on fertile ground and take good root.

It's not for nothing, as you have found for yourself.

I'm glad it helped you.


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@UMP, your thread did help me as well. It also helped me see a different aspect of YOU. I knew about the sexual stuff as you post a lot about that and I knew you from those posts.

I like this aspect of you and how firm your beliefs are.

As to this thread not changing anyone's minds; only time will tell. I learned that man can't compare to God when it comes to changing people's mind about His existence and love for humanity regardless of whether everything written by men about Him came indeed from Him or not. Humans will always argue or disqualify that which they choose to do so for whatever reason they deem fit.

This thread further confirmed why we can't even try to compare our human capability to love as compared to Him, or to even understand His love or His way of doing things because we are unable to look at the bigger picture in both of those aspects.

I can feel His love though and there are no comparisons to match it or even come close.

I firmly believe that God is doing what man can't because man is just extremely limited in more ways than one and falls short every dang time.

Good things come to those who wait...greater things come to those who get off their a$$ and do anything to make it happen.
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