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I did not create my children. All I did was have sex.
You didn't carry them in a womb you mean? Your DNA is all over them...LOL

That means you're guilty of being a Baby daddy!


Good things come to those who wait...greater things come to those who get off their a$$ and do anything to make it happen.

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This is patently absurd. The Christians I know aren't anything more special than the people that I know that don't believe in god. But of course there's always selection bias.
I have mixed with christians for 40 years, many many hundreds in many different churches. I also have christian friends in other countries. Most are the nicest people, with the strongest moral values, honesty, integrity, who put themselves out to help others, who don't sleep around, who dont lie or deceive.
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If you need something to keep you "good" then there is an inherent problem with you. Maybe this goes to that morality thread, but I have lived my life with integrity and honor and I needed nothing other than me as an influence. So, while god may "keep you in line" for some, it certainly isn't needed. And god-fearing people aren't always adhering to it anyway. Hell, confession seems to be an easy out for many.

There are all sorts of possibilities. I am in no way saying there is no god. I definitely think that if there is a god, he isn't anything like the one we think he is.
Wait, don't you think that all morals are relative?

Do you hear the people sing / Lost in the valley of the night?
It is the music of a people / Who are climbing to the light.
For the wretched of the earth / There is a flame that never dies.
Even the darkest night will end / And the sun will rise...
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Eye Yai Yai !

Apparently, your sperm is not yours.

Apparently, you are not a living being, with dynamic living properties that [*by half] replicates itself. I would have never known that, had you not told me.




*oogenesis, not withstanding. Men cannot clone themselves. The ladies can, Adam's Rib has no clothes. Not yet!

Probably in the not so distant future males may end up being obsolete to perpetuate the species..:frown2. If the need arises and we continue evolving, then most certainly women will be able to procreate without mating or males. Creation already does this with other animal species. It's called parthenogenesis.

Dang evolution means no more sex, EVER!

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False analogy.

Most people in south side Chicago or NYC believe in God, and that apparently would not help anyone stuck there on the streets in your scenario. You are confusing belief with man-made laws and policing, it seems.
Didn't say belief in God makes you a good person. Belief in God, in and of itself, is probably one of the weaker forms of keeping potential bad folks on a short leash. (kinda like Obama's policies) But since you mention it, strictly following the principles laid out by Jesus Christ probably would at a level of most folks standards. Cats that followed his principles likely wouldn't be cutting up like those f--ks at Berkeley and what not. I kinda believe most of them, and elsewhere, are from "Rent-a-Mob.
I'm saying without some form of external control, I wouldn't recommend trusting humans not to cut your throat if you have $50 dollars and john law ain't around. After all, aren't we the only species that kills for the shear pleasure of killing. You got to be careful in arguments where philosophy v. reality. From what I've seen, reality trumps philosophy every time.

If you don't embody controversy, what you say will become just another part of the media driven culture of stifling thought and debate about issues.
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I have mixed with christians for 40 years, many many hundreds in many different churches. I also have christian friends in other countries. Most are the nicest people, with the strongest moral values, honesty, integrity, who put themselves out to help others, who don't sleep around, who dont lie or deceive.
Wow, that's what so many people here thought of their spouses.
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If you believe in evolution, and that evolution favors the development of traits that allow for survival of the fittest, then why did humanity develop mentally so far beyond all other animals? We don't need morality to survive. Yes, without it, individuals would have problems, but the race itself would survive. We don't need emotions to survive the other animals survive on instincts. Why would every other animal have evolved instinct but man alone developed a higher intelligence? Why is it only man has developed not just one but many different forms of sophisticated language? Why do we have love, and loyalty, joy, and an ability to appreciate beauty? Why do only humans create art and music, while other animals have only limited sounds? Why does only man have an intellectual understanding of his own mortality? Seems to me that's a negative, in terms of evolution. Why does only man care about bettering himself? When it comes to it, why do humans feel the need to believe in a higher being if God Himself didn't create us with that need?

I, personally, cannot look at the incredible beauty and diversity of the natural world and believe that it happened by chance. Caterpillars EVOVLED the ability to create cocoons and emerge as butterflies? Seriously? Or take the sugar maple. It propagates using seeds that scatter using thousands of tiny little helicopters. Sorry, not accepting that happened by some kind of cosmic trial and error. It's all just too complex to have just ... happened ... somehow.

I've heard of God spoken of as a Great Physician, a Great Creator, a Great Artist. I like to think of Him as a Great Composer. All of creation one great symphony. Symphonies don't happen by chance. Nor, once created, are they played without oversight of a conductor. I believe that God is both Composer and Conductor, and that each life that lives is playing its part in that greatest of all music.

And to those who question why God has allowed evil in the world? I personally like Tolkien's answer to this one - that without the darkness, we couldn't appreciate the light. The darkness makes the light that much more beautiful.

The road goes ever ever on, down from the door where it began... JRR Tolkien
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Religion itself is not necessary for ethical behavior.
For decades, the country will the lowest crime rate is Japan. I lived in Japan for three years. One time (true story) I left my wallet on a train in a giant city called Osaka. The person with me replied, "Don't worry, someone will find it". Sure enough, it was found and turned in to the lost and found. In many places, there are kind people who would turn in the wallet, however, Japan is one of those unusual places in which people will expect that strangers will do that.
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Japanese are religious. What is it again? Shinto or something. They revere their ancestors with religious awe. Before I die I want to visit there. Technologically advanced but so weird the things they do, eat, and believe (and I like manga but I am not a weeaboo). Unfortunately, Japan also has a high rate of suicide. There is even a special forest where people go to kill themselves. It's on YouTube. Suicide Forest in Japan by VICE.

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Then why is it that the christians I know are far more moral, kind, compassionate and have far more integrity than those I know who dont follow God? God changes us into being better, nicer more caring people.
If you look around, you'll find very kind and compassionate people regardless of which religion they believe or if they believe in one at all. The moral Christians aren't any more moral than the moral Hindus, for example, even though they clearly don't believe in the same religious philosophy. And there are atheists who are just as moral as the most moral Christians.

Having a moral guide will help someone become a more moral person. It doesn't necessarily matter whether that guide is from a god or from self-reflection. The bible of most religions can help someone become a better person. But Socrates' philosophical discussions on piety can also accomplish it.

And being a believer doesn't necessarily make someone a moral person. Here on this board there are thousands of stories of true believers having affairs, sometimes with the religious leaders themselves!

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I did not create my children. All I did was have sex.
Try telling that one to a family court judge in either a paternity or a child support case!

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studies routinely show that people who claim to be religious are much more generous than those who are not. This is one way to 'prove' that religious are more moral.... Not the only one, mind you, but a tangible one.
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studies routinely show that people who claim to be religious are much more generous than those who are not. This is one way to 'prove' that religious are more moral.... Not the only one, mind you, but a tangible one.
Please show me these "unbiased" studies that show how much more generous religious people are.

Interestingly enough, I wonder if donating a tithe to your church counts?

Or if it is just a lump sum. Yes, we see that these 1 billion Christians donated $500, but the 1.1 million atheists only donated $450. Therefore we conclude...

But NPR thanks you...you just got my itch to donate to them again (but I am sure it won't count for the atheists).
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Please show me these "unbiased" studies that show how much more generous religious people are.

Interestingly enough, I wonder if donating a tithe to your church counts?

Or if it is just a lump sum. Yes, we see that these 1 billion Christians donated $500, but the 1.1 million atheists only donated $450. Therefore we conclude...

But NPR thanks you...you just got my itch to donate to them again (but I am sure it won't count for the atheists).
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...5EhkrVepYuNU-w

It is always stated on a per person basis, not as an aggregate. There are a million hits, so feel free to cherry pick the studies that support your notion that religious people suck.
BTW, most Christian charities have much less overhead than places like United Way.
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It is always stated on a per person basis, not as an aggregate. There are a million hits, so feel free to cherry pick the studies that support your notion that religious people suck.
BTW, most Christian charities have much less overhead than places like United Way.
I'm not buying it. I mean, I see where it says people's religion, but it doesn't specify how religious. If someone calls me up and asks if I have donated, I say yes. What religion am I? I say Jewish. But I'm really an atheist, or an agnostic or whatever. My point being, who really knows.

Second, I don't know if donation has a correlation to how good you are as a person. Many people donate to absolve themselves from having to be good in real life.
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