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post #76 of 386 (permalink) Old 02-03-2017, 11:53 AM
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I'm not buying it. I mean, I see where it says people's religion, but it doesn't specify how religious. If someone calls me up and asks if I have donated, I say yes. What religion am I? I say Jewish. But I'm really an atheist, or an agnostic or whatever. My point being, who really knows.

Second, I don't know if donation has a correlation to how good you are as a person. Many people donate to absolve themselves from having to be good in real life.
I know you don't believe it, because it goes against what you hold to be self evidently true, but what is in fact, at best opinion or speculation. Feel free to not believe the studies, I mean you only believe peer reviewed stuff that supports your argument anyways.

Religion is a good thing that has been used for evil purposes. the godless dictators in the USSR and SE asia show me plenty about how 'good' people are when there is no religion.

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If you believe in evolution, and that evolution favors the development of traits that allow for survival of the fittest, then why did humanity develop mentally so far beyond all other animals? We don't need morality to survive. Yes, without it, individuals would have problems, but the race itself would survive. We don't need emotions to survive the other animals survive on instincts. Why would every other animal have evolved instinct but man alone developed a higher intelligence? Why is it only man has developed not just one but many different forms of sophisticated language? Why do we have love, and loyalty, joy, and an ability to appreciate beauty? Why do only humans create art and music, while other animals have only limited sounds? Why does only man have an intellectual understanding of his own mortality? Seems to me that's a negative, in terms of evolution. Why does only man care about bettering himself? When it comes to it, why do humans feel the need to believe in a higher being if God Himself didn't create us with that need?

I, personally, cannot look at the incredible beauty and diversity of the natural world and believe that it happened by chance. Caterpillars EVOVLED the ability to create cocoons and emerge as butterflies? Seriously? Or take the sugar maple. It propagates using seeds that scatter using thousands of tiny little helicopters. Sorry, not accepting that happened by some kind of cosmic trial and error. It's all just too complex to have just ... happened ... somehow.

I've heard of God spoken of as a Great Physician, a Great Creator, a Great Artist. I like to think of Him as a Great Composer. All of creation one great symphony. Symphonies don't happen by chance. Nor, once created, are they played without oversight of a conductor. I believe that God is both Composer and Conductor, and that each life that lives is playing its part in that greatest of all music.

And to those who question why God has allowed evil in the world? I personally like Tolkien's answer to this one - that without the darkness, we couldn't appreciate the light. The darkness makes the light that much more beautiful.
Needless to say, God often works in strange and mysterious ways!

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Japanese are religious. What is it again? Shinto or something. They revere their ancestors with religious awe. Before I die I want to visit there. Technologically advanced but so weird the things they do, eat, and believe (and I like manga but I am not a weeaboo). Unfortunately, Japan also has a high rate of suicide. There is even a special forest where people go to kill themselves. It's on YouTube. Suicide Forest in Japan by VICE.
For people in the large cities and rural people less than 50 years of age, I didn't find any believers and I think that Japan is the least religious country I've ever been to. They go to a Shinto shrine for marriages and a Buddhist temple for the funerals of old people.

Japan has the 17th worst suicide rate in the world which as you stated is very unfortunate. Their Christian neighbor, South Korea, has the 2nd worst suicide rate in the world. Other countries high on that list are not as developed as those two, except for the possible exception of Russia.

I hope you visit Japan long before you die. It is a very unique place and you will have stories to tell for several years.
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For people in the large cities and rural people less than 50 years of age, I didn't find any believers and I think that Japan is the least religious country I've ever been to. They go to a Shinto shrine for marriages and a Buddhist temple for the funerals of old people.

Japan has the 17th worst suicide rate in the world which as you stated is very unfortunate. Their Christian neighbor, South Korea, has the 2nd worst suicide rate in the world. Other countries high on that list are not as developed as those two, except for the possible exception of Russia.

I hope you visit Japan long before you die. It is a very unique place and you will have stories to tell for several years.
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According to national census conducted in 2015, 19.7% of the population belongs to Protestantism, 15.5% to Buddhism (Korean Buddhism), and 7.9% to the Roman Catholic Church; in total Christianity is the religion of 27.6% of the Korean population.
Yeah, Christianity may be the no. 1 religion there but it is only 27.6% of the population. The majority are non-religious. Mark Twain's words come to mind regarding statistics. If not place in context they are incredibly misleading.

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Yeah, Christianity may be the no. 1 religion there but it is only 27.6% of the population. The majority are non-religious. Mark Twain's words come to mind regarding statistics. If not place in context they are incredibly misleading.
I agree. My quote was misleading. My mind was thinking "more Christian" nation, but I should have proofread. Furthermore, I was thinking that South Korea's Christian population was nearing 50%.

Still, I hope you enjoy visiting Japan someday.
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Wow, that's what so many people here thought of their spouses.
Most people on this forum arent Christians.
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Most people on this forum arent Christians.
A) I am not sure how you know that

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I have mixed with christians for 40 years, many many hundreds in many different churches. I also have christian friends in other countries. Most are the nicest people, with the strongest moral values, honesty, integrity, who put themselves out to help others, who don't sleep around, who dont lie or deceive.
My point was to replace "christians" with "my spouse" and that most people here thought the bolded part about the person they deemed worthy to spend their life with and look where they are. My point is, you never know someone til you know them.
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A) I am not sure how you know that

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My point was to replace "christians" with "my spouse" and that most people here thought the bolded part about the person they deemed worthy to spend their life with and look where they are. My point is, you never know someone til you know them.
I think some "believers" imagine that it is only the heathens that have issues.

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Most people on this forum arent Christians.
Ok. That might be the case. So essentially what you believe is that the one and only tru god is the Christian god and thus the only acceptable religion is Christianity and only or mostly Christians are capable of behaving in a decent and loving manner...
I guess too bad for the losers who belive in the wrong god. They are essentially wating their time praying and worshipping the wrong god and because of it they will end up in eternal damnation just like those of us who do not even believe in any god at all...yikes.
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My point was to replace "christians" with "my spouse" and that most people here thought the bolded part about the person they deemed worthy to spend their life with and look where they are. My point is, you never know someone til you know them.
This forum isnt a Christian one. There are few Christians here. They dont claim to be.

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Ok. That might be the case. So essentially what you believe is that the one and only tru god is the Christian god and thus the only acceptable religion is Christianity and only or mostly Christians are capable of behaving in a decent and loving manner...
I guess too bad for the losers who belive in the wrong god. They are essentially wating their time praying and worshipping the wrong god and because of it they will end up in eternal damnation just like those of us who do not even believe in any god at all...yikes.
Its only through Jesus Christ that we are saved, so yes. Thankfully many muslims, for example, are finding Jesus Christ and converting.

I never said that those who arent Christians cant be nice people, I said that in general the christians I know are more moral and caring and honest than those who aren't.
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I think some "believers" imagine that it is only the heathens that have issues.
WE all have issues but we can all be changed.
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WE all have issues but we can all be changed.
True, some of us choose to face them. some of us use them to discover more about ourselves. Some of us conclude that is what life is all about. Some just give up. Others decide to believe in fairy tales. Sometimes, they are able to find some one else who believes in the same fairy tales and live happily ever after.

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The thread was about god and not morality per se but I find it astounding that th very god believers (again perhaps they chose the wrong religion or yhe wrong god) are the ones that believe that without believing in a god people would act like sociopaths all the time.
I will paraphrase a famous atheist who said that when he is asked what is to stop him from raping and murdering all he wants were it not for believing in or fearing a god, he answers that he already does rape and murder as much as he wants to which is zero. He just does not want to ever do such things. The fact that religious people or believers think that wothout having this diety watching over them they would go on a murdering raping rampage is the most self-damning thing anyone can imagine.
I do not trust people who need to belive someone is watching them all the time and only because of this belief are they capable of behaving in a moral manner. Repulsive.
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Ok. That might be the case. So essentially what you believe is that the one and only tru god is the Christian god and thus the only acceptable religion is Christianity and only or mostly Christians are capable of behaving in a decent and loving manner...
I guess too bad for the losers who belive in the wrong god. They are essentially wating their time praying and worshipping the wrong god and because of it they will end up in eternal damnation just like those of us who do not even believe in any god at all...yikes.
When you don't take Hell as a punishment by necessity, but really just view it as the default of not being in the presence of God, it's really not that shocking. In order to find your way to His presence, you would have to first know Him... or otherwise find your way to His light.

I'm often confused by the feigned horror at this.
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