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Let's say there is God. Not just a God but The GOD, only one, the "I AM."

Let's call Him the creator of heaven and earth who upholds ALL things by the word of His power.

If this "I AM" created all of humanity and everything that exists from nothing, does the creation have the right to question Him?

If so, why?


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I don't believe in a conscious higher being, but if there is one, I would question the corruption that comes with that much power. As for questioning itself, I am created with free will, so I question what I wish. If he has a problem with it, his damn fault.
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Let's say there is God. Not just a God but The GOD, only one, the "I AM."

Let's call Him the creator of heaven and earth who upholds ALL things by the word of His power.

If this "I AM" created all of humanity and everything that exists from nothing, does the creation have the right to question Him?

If so, why?
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Let's say there is God. Not just a God but The GOD, only one, the "I AM."

Let's call Him the creator of heaven and earth who upholds ALL things by the word of His power.

If this "I AM" created all of humanity and everything that exists from nothing, does the creation have the right to question Him?

If so, why?
Yes. And many did in the Bible. Many do now. The question is, will God answer? He will in do time.

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"What does God need with a starship?"

Yeah, I didn't like Star Trek V either man.

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Did God give you explicit instructions not to question him? Like, did he say, "One more ****ING word out of you, and I'll SMITE your ass!"? Cause, I have kids, and I want them to learn how to question things properly. The assumption that I am a perfect parent isn't fair. Now, maybe God is perfect (in this scenario), but how do I know that unless he tells me.
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I don't believe in a conscious higher being, but if there is one, I would question the corruption that comes with that much power. As for questioning itself, I am created with free will, so I question what I wish. If he has a problem with it, his damn fault.
You don't believe in a "conscious higher being" yet you say you are "created" with free will. Who created you?

What is "free will?"
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Okay, let's "say" there is a God who "created" us. IF there is free will given by that God (and there's a huge philosophical debate on the issue of free will), then of course we'd have the right to question God under those circumstances. If we don't have free will, it doesn't matter, though. With free will comes choice, and that is based on information. We can't make wise decisions or agree with directives from God without understanding the reasoning God has for making some choices over others. Even with such understanding, we may choose a less optimum path, because it seems to provide benefits in the short term.

However, I don't think anything was created by a God, and that we evolved to have what appears to be free will. I'll be interested to see if the neuroscientists and philosophers can come up with a testable hypothesis that will decide the issue.

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If this "I AM" created all of humanity and everything that exists from nothing, does the creation have the right to question Him?

If so, why?
Yes, because it is not evident to the creation that "GOD" created him.

There are many competing theories for how the universe was created and man arrived. Some people say GOD did it. Some people say Zeus did it. Some people say a horse flying through the sky did it. Some people say it popped into existence. The creation needs to question the theories otherwise how will he know which one to believe?
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You don't believe in a "conscious higher being" yet you say you are "created" with free will. Who created you?

What is "free will?"
Why must all creation be from a sentient being? I believe fire is created by oxidation, others may believe by a god. I believe gravity is created by general relativity, others may believe by a god.

Free will is the ability to make one's own decisions, as I have made mine in regards to a "God".

My higher power is the forces of the universe that I do not believe are sentient, yet it governs and dictates all that we are. No one can challenge it.
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Lol...okay let's see, if I believed there is god then he would have a lot of explaining to do. But I don't question Santa why he never brought my dear (atheist/former jewish) husband any gifts when he was a young child...so there is that.
My understanding is that those who believe in a god dare not to question anything...kind of like being in an abusive relationship: god will only love you if you love him back and if you don't, to hell you go! He tests your love by throwing these heart wrenching life experiences and if all goes well he gets all the credit and if all goes wrong, well he just works in mysterious ways...how dare you question anything.
By the way, I gotta thank god for making me an atheist. I don't have to go to church, pray, follow his commandments, etc etc and I get to enjoy the kind of life many wish they had. In the meantime some of my very religious family members who believe in a god have been through so much crap and yet they continue to believe in him blindly...guess they are looking forwards to that promise of eternal life. Not me, I live in reality, and my life is pretty good. My present life is my reward for believing in me, in my capacity to love and in my ability to change and to be a good (not perfect) person.
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I believe in God.
I'm thankful for the small time I've been given.
I question all the time why things have to happen like they do.
But do I think about truly questioning HIM about all the rottenness that happens? How he runs things? Nope.
I realize that my tent intellect could even begin to handle the answer.
It would be like a kindergartner questioning a math phD about some number that could only be derived through complex algebra that a kindergartner couldn't possibly understand.
My ruling guide tells me God basically spoke things into existence. That even being in His presence turned Moses' hair white and gave him an odd "glow".

Perhaps I'm not as enlightened as some, but I'm smart enough to know I'm not smart enough to even begin to understand an answer from the Grand architect about how he runs things.

I'm content to just do my best and keel over and die when it's my time. I don't hope for some reward for trying to follow my beliefs. I don't really fear "hell".
I do hope that one day after I'm gone, whatever is left of me will be able to understand some of the questions we wish we had the answers to, and get to hang out with people who don't have greed, lust, betrayal, lying, etc,, anywhere in their being--- it all gets cleaned out and fixed, including mine.
Childish idea maybe, but if I'm wrong, what's the point in a single person ever existing?
I do believe in Jesus, also.
And I can't imagine ever dying and standing in judgement before God without Him there with me.
Don't you guys that don't believe want to feel what REAL love feels like? Better even than what a loving parent has for their child?
Or what REAL loyalty looks like?
I do, so I'll keep my faith and hope in one day seeing these things.
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Let's say there is God. Not just a God but The GOD, only one, the "I AM."

Let's call Him the creator of heaven and earth who upholds ALL things by the word of His power.

If this "I AM" created all of humanity and everything that exists from nothing, does the creation have the right to question Him?

If so, why?
If he introduced himself to everyone directly, then it depends on how much such an all-powerful god would value the input from his subordinates. If you instead mean "questioning his existence", then he would be rather unreasonable to be angry.

If we created one million robots, then remained undetectable and required them to believe in us by faith, I would not be angry in the least if these robots questioned my existence. I also would not have a need for them to endlessly worship me for that matter.

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Don't you guys that don't believe want to feel what REAL love feels like? Better even than what a loving parent has for their child?
Or what REAL loyalty looks like?
I do, so I'll keep my faith and hope in one day seeing these things.
I already feel very, very real love from my husband.
That's my issue with this god stuff..I can think of many ohers who deserve that wonderful, unconditional, loyal love and somehow they do not get it while they are alive. I guess they will have to wait for after life and perhaps that is why they have no choice but to believe there must be something waiting for them...kind of sad.
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