i figured this might be an interesting thread. so, what is the evidence you have seen for evolution, and what is the evidence you have seen for creation?
i only ask one thing, please do not derail this thread into bashing people with different views. if you think a particular way of interpreting a piece of information is deluded or idiotic, poke holes in the argument rather than attack the person.
i would like to see fairly objective reasoning.
anyway, anything that you can think of that supports either creation or evolution, or refutes either of them. scientific discoveries, mathematics, genetics, etc. share the evidence and share why you believe it supports or refutes a either side.
i would love to hear your thoughts.
The consilience of evidence (over 1.3 million peer reviewed articles) spanning the last 200 years supports the theory of evolution of life on this planet over the last 3.8 billion years. This is covered by a multitude of disciplines in biology, geology, chemistry and yes even mathematics (mainly probabilities). We even have cancer as a verification of many of these hypothesis to support the theory - "survival of the fitter".
However intelligent design is something that is also accepted with a great deal of direct scientific data. It is one where the researcher him or herself is the designer of the new species. One where man (non gender specific) is god and has the capacity to transform one species of bacteria to another with the inclusion of novel genes to that organism. I myself have transgenically modified Danio rerio
. This may not have created a new species but is significantly different from the wild type (naturally evolved form).
However god and the creation are based on non-evidence and non-converging mythologies. It is not practical to attempt to fit science into a religious belief system since they use very different methods of verification. Do I think god is real? He is real in that if more than one person believes there is a god, he is real - a collective subjectivism. However, there is no need to attempt to find empirical objective evidence for god, just accept that he is real in the belief system that you are part of and that is it. I think religious groups play an important role in humanity for some people. After all H sapiens
survival (out of Africa and to the ends of the earth) depended upon our tribal collectivism. Whatever works for you, is what is worth believing.