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I am an atheist because to date I haven't seen any evidence that proves Gods existence.

My atheism is simply an absence of belief, for all I know a god might exist. Yet until such evidence is forthcoming I am not inclined to think a god does exist.

That said with sufficient evidence, I am certain I would change my mind.
There is a saying in my country that may help you, or it may not. That is up to you.

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Good luck in your quest to finding or not a God you haven't found proof that exists. I am not in your shoes. I can't begin to imagine how I would feel if I were because I never will be in that place. Peace be with you!

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There is a saying in my country that may help you, or it may not. That is up to you.

There is no worst blind person than the one that refuses to see.

Good luck in your quest to finding or not a God you haven't found proof that exists. I am not in your shoes. I can't begin to imagine how I would feel if I were because I never will be in that place. Peace be with you!
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I have asked several questions that have not been answered. I am most certainly very interested on your perspective of the questions I ask.
When I have some more time to spare, I'll try to answer some more of your questions.
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When I have some more time to spare, I'll try to answer some more of your questions.

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You have answered the most important one. We are on opposing views and therefore there is no discussion needed. It's not possible for our views to cross. Peace is a better option and a more respectable one too IMO.

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You have answered the most important one. We are on opposing views and therefore there is no discussion needed. It's not possible for our views to cross. Peace is a better option and a more respectable one too IMO.

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If God is everywhere I want to understand why it's okay that he watches all of us having sex.

Likewise I also want to understand why some people think it's morally okay that God commits genocide?

Plus further to that I want to understand a whole lot of other things about God. So I am asking people who have a relationship with God about it. Since for the life of me no matter how I've tried God won't talk to me.
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I have a different take on God, based on a lot of spiritual books I've read, but not on the bible (other than any uplifting simple messages about how God loves us).

God is everything. Everything we see, including ourselves, down to the smallest particle. He is all of it, together, and all the other stuff we can't see....and also....he is every mind that exists and he "has" every thought that is had. Every thought by anyone and anything, everywhere, forever both forward and backward, to include matter which also has consciousness.

Everything we perceive through our physical senses, is not objective reality. Our physical senses create the way we perceive everything. That does not mean we see objective reality. We only see it through our specific "lens", so to speak, which means we can only see our subjective reality.

Our bodies cannot see objective reality when we are in our typical conscious states. But our minds can see objective reality in some states of consciousness, but this is not usually something we retain memory of (unless it is the goal of the individual to reach that state of consciousness). Occasionally, a person is suddenly transported to that state, and when this happens, they are changed forever and they see things differently forever.

So everything we see is subjective, and when you really believe this, you can actually start to "see" things differently.

Also by believing and understanding as much as I can that God is EVERYTHING...the whole of it all....All That Is....then I can see how there are answers to the questions you are asking.

Another thing to point out is that we truly have free will. Which means, without going too deep into it, God truly doesn't care what you or any of us do. Because we really are free. If we had "free will" but there was a God who would actually punish us for using it, this couldn't be a fair or just universe. He doesn't care because we are eternal beings who are just here in this body "for now" in a segment of our overall consciousness that we call "me". The rest of us, the eternal part, is non-physical and includes any and all other physical lives you've had or will have. That part of us knows that in our various lifetimes, we may make incredible mistakes, even commit heinous crimes, but that this happens due to the nature of our existence "here". That eternal part of us also knows that while we are here, we will feel incredible love, creativity, and experience personal expansion. The eternal part of us revels in that expansion, but doesn't fear or feel pain for our mistakes. (Though "we" will usually feel that pain of our mistakes...in a sorting out process that happens after death).

So although it sounds cold and sickening to think God doesn't care if we off each other left and right...when given the above beliefs, why would he care? We choose to use our free will how we will and he loves us no matter what. He also doesn't care if the animals die either, they are eternal beings, too. A lion kills an antelope, does God condemn the lion as a murderer? Why doesn't he "care" about the poor antelope's suffering? Because he is both the lion and the antelope, and the antelope's suffering is temporary just as the lion will eventually suffer a death of some kind, too. He loves them both and IS both of them.

Such as it is with us. If we want to commit genocide, per our free will, we can do so and obviously, we do. This doesn't mean God would "will" for this to happen...but it isn't his choice. He's not up there just waiting for us to f*ck up so he can drop the hammer. He is here with us now experiencing this all happen with us. But from his perspective as All That Is, he understands the murderer's free will as well as he understands the victim's free will. Both will emerge after death back into their eternal selves.

Does God watch us f*ck? He doesn't have to, he IS us f*cking.

If you can imagine one mind that is all minds inclusive, it is much easier to contemplate what I'm suggesting.

Though I can't argue any of this with a religious person, as I do not ever want to insult anyone's beliefs. I know my beliefs are far off the grid to some people and I accept that. I'm used to it.

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Personal, have you ever had a lucid dream?

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Personal, have you ever had a lucid dream?
Yes, lots. Why do you ask?
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If you can imagine one mind that is all minds inclusive, it is much easier to contemplate what I'm suggesting.
Sure I've considered that in the past, as in there may be an omnipresent something that is everything including us collectively.
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My "God", or more correctly in my own beliefs; the "forces of nature", are everywhere. And these forces dictate the rules of the game we call life. Similar to what you mentioned Faithful Wife, except do you believe this force is conscious? or simply uncaring?

If this force isn't conscious or caring, why worship it then?
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I have a different take on God, based on a lot of spiritual books I've read, but not on the bible (other than any uplifting simple messages about how God loves us).

God is everything. Everything we see, including ourselves, down to the smallest particle. He is all of it, together, and all the other stuff we can't see....and also....he is every mind that exists and he "has" every thought that is had. Every thought by anyone and anything, everywhere, forever both forward and backward, to include matter which also has consciousness.

Everything we perceive through our physical senses, is not objective reality. Our physical senses create the way we perceive everything. That does not mean we see objective reality. We only see it through our specific "lens", so to speak, which means we can only see our subjective reality.

Our bodies cannot see objective reality when we are in our typical conscious states. But our minds can see objective reality in some states of consciousness, but this is not usually something we retain memory of (unless it is the goal of the individual to reach that state of consciousness). Occasionally, a person is suddenly transported to that state, and when this happens, they are changed forever and they see things differently forever.

So everything we see is subjective, and when you really believe this, you can actually start to "see" things differently.

Also by believing and understanding as much as I can that God is EVERYTHING...the whole of it all....All That Is....then I can see how there are answers to the questions you are asking.

Another thing to point out is that we truly have free will. Which means, without going too deep into it, God truly doesn't care what you or any of us do. Because we really are free. If we had "free will" but there was a God who would actually punish us for using it, this couldn't be a fair or just universe. He doesn't care because we are eternal beings who are just here in this body "for now" in a segment of our overall consciousness that we call "me". The rest of us, the eternal part, is non-physical and includes any and all other physical lives you've had or will have. That part of us knows that in our various lifetimes, we may make incredible mistakes, even commit heinous crimes, but that this happens due to the nature of our existence "here". That eternal part of us also knows that while we are here, we will feel incredible love, creativity, and experience personal expansion. The eternal part of us revels in that expansion, but doesn't fear or feel pain for our mistakes. (Though "we" will usually feel that pain of our mistakes...in a sorting out process that happens after death).

So although it sounds cold and sickening to think God doesn't care if we off each other left and right...when given the above beliefs, why would he care? We choose to use our free will how we will and he loves us no matter what. He also doesn't care if the animals die either, they are eternal beings, too. A lion kills an antelope, does God condemn the lion as a murderer? Why doesn't he "care" about the poor antelope's suffering? Because he is both the lion and the antelope, and the antelope's suffering is temporary just as the lion will eventually suffer a death of some kind, too. He loves them both and IS both of them.

Such as it is with us. If we want to commit genocide, per our free will, we can do so and obviously, we do. This doesn't mean God would "will" for this to happen...but it isn't his choice. He's not up there just waiting for us to f*ck up so he can drop the hammer. He is here with us now experiencing this all happen with us. But from his perspective as All That Is, he understands the murderer's free will as well as he understands the victim's free will. Both will emerge after death back into their eternal selves.

Does God watch us f*ck? He doesn't have to, he IS us f*cking.

If you can imagine one mind that is all minds inclusive, it is much easier to contemplate what I'm suggesting.

Though I can't argue any of this with a religious person, as I do not ever want to insult anyone's beliefs. I know my beliefs are far off the grid to some people and I accept that. I'm used to it.
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My "God", or more correctly in my own beliefs; the "forces of nature", are everywhere. And these forces dictate the rules of the game we call life. Similar to what you mentioned Faithful Wife, except do you believe this force is conscious? or simply uncaring?

If this force isn't conscious or caring, why worship it then?
Well I don't worship it, for starters....because God has no need of this and neither do we. But I do feel God does love...he loves unconditionally, completely, and eternally. Whether he "cares" about our "sins" or our "good deeds" or not is the question I think you are asking, and no, IMO, he doesn't. That's how his love is unconditional.

God is the very epitome of consciousness, the original mind and that mind still thinks, through all of us and all other creatures and even within matter.

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Yes, lots. Why do you ask?
Because a lucid dream is one of the states in which we can see a more objective reality....if you train yourself to do it. If you know that peculiar feeling that comes over you when you are in a dream, and then you realize it is a dream...and then suddenly you realize this means you can control reality.....there is a lot that can happen from that point.

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