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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 02-06-2017, 12:50 PM Thread Starter
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How well do you fact-check?

What do you believe and how likely are you to believe a story at face value?

How often do you dig deeper to find facts that the media failed to include? I want to make this thread about stories in which the media failed to do its due diligence.

Take this story, for example. What do you believe to be true?

Parents of basketball girl who sued school are teaching her narcissism, not justice

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Re: How well do you fact-check?

Most of the Media is biased, and is PC. They have a narrative that they push.

I need to stay out of politics. I have enough hornets flying around my head.

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Re: How well do you fact-check?

I always fact check and tend to do it using more than one reputable source.

Follow the evidence where it leads and question everything.
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Re: How well do you fact-check?

I'm not a very trusting person by nature. If I am told or read something that interests me, I fact-check it big time. Especially if it has to do with money.
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Re: How well do you fact-check?

Or how about that story being passed around during the Super Bowl that Roger Goodell broke up a bar fight. That was just so full of BS there's no need to fact check. You just know by the way it was told that it was nothing more than BS.
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Concerning the story about the catholic school being sued by the girl's parents who wanted her to be allowed to play on the boy's team:

Here's the story on Yahoo News,

and here's one very enlightening comment by a reader named Snider:

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I saw this on the local news website in New Jersey from a parent of the school. Sounds like there is a lot about this story not being told.

"I posted this on the most recent article but am also sharing it here. My kid goes to this school. So lets talk about facts here. The reporting of this has been nothing but poorly done.

Here's the reality that is being left out.

The dad has had a melt down against the school a couple of years ago when they didn't make his other child valedictorian. Threatened litigation and all even after the school showed him the comparison between his child and the one that was picked. This is the same man who sued his former police department in 2010 due to not getting promoted and then dropped the lawsuit when he found out that he could loose his pension due to some off duty stuff he shouldn't have been doing.

The school did everything they could for Sydney. When they stated that there would be no girls team due to not having enough applicants for a whole team and because they wouldn't allow her to play on the boys team they arranged to play at another schools team.

The parents refused this. Instead they chose to sue. The girls weren't told to leave the school when this lawsuit was under way. When the judge threw out this case instead of leaving well enough along Mr. Scott Phillips and his lawyer/Union County Judge wife Theresa E. Mullen decided to sue again to appeal the case. They continued going on TV and got amazing opportunities to meet WNBA and Fordham woman's basketball practices. Did they offer to have those groups come to the school and help motivate a girls basketball team? No they continued to claim the school was in the wrong.

That is when the archdiocese expelled them. It wasn't immediate.

This is the same family that showed up with their daughters in full uniform after finding out the girls were expelled and stood partially blocking the entrance to the drop off line in the morning. They stood there so that every parent in the school, every news outlet that was there could see them. My heart broke for those two girls. Standing there in their uniforms because their parents blow everything out of proportion. They were made a spectacle. The school was made a spectacle by these parents and their larger than life egos.

Were the police there? Yes. They were called because of the spectacle. Because a reasonable adult would set up an appointment with the principal and talk about the situation. but clearly Mr. Phillips and Judge Mullen are anything but reasonable. They bully their way into situations. Its no wonder their youngest is a bully in the making.

St. Theresa's is not without its problems but it is a community of loving and patient educators and caring and considerate families. It has a set and clear outline of its way of doing things and it follows its rules and expects families and students to do so accordingly. Its reputation is being dragged out by the selfishness of this family. This school goes above and beyond to give the kids the best and help out parents when the need arises.

And now they are filing suit yet again to have the girls come back to the school. They are both claiming the school is unfair and yet saying they think it is the best place for their children' education. One of the things taught early in in those pre school classes at the school is "you get what you get and you don't get upset." Mr. Phillips and Judge Mullen need to grow up, stop their selfishness and be better role models to their daughters."
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Re: How well do you fact-check?

My job is involved in obtaining information, verifying it and then using it for various purposes. For business purposes I double and triple check things. In the past I had done surveys and studies. Basically I was told indirectly what kind of results they wanted to see and so I designed the questions to elicit the responses wanted. Quick example is to do a survey to ask if businesses would like a way to increase their exports. They all said yes, so the project proceeded for a few million dollars but when completed, the cost to business was so high that no one used the services. For every study done you can find a study that comes to a different conclusion. You cannot trust what you read or hear and yet many do. We live in a time where belief is equated with fact.

In my personal life I also tend to check things out before accepting them. I do accept small things on face value if they make sense but if asked, I will state that I have not verified it and will never defend it like so many do with things that fit their belief system but were never fact checked.

I make very good money for my ability to read complex regulations, laws and studies, which I then condense into a summary and then offer my conclusions and advice. I have been working with complex sources of information since I was 18 years old and I am not 65. I am pretty good at it by now. A few things I know from experience is that most people will skim over things that they feel is boring or complex. Others like my wife will read the beginning and end of newspaper articles and miss the point of the article. Often people will go on sensational Titles of articles designed to get you to read them.

I have dealt with regulatory agencies whose employees do not even understand what they are enforcing and enforce it incorrectly. I have filed against some Federal Agencies to get a ruling and in every case my understanding of it was right and the local people were wrong. So basically facts are what you believe to many people.

If I hear something new I am the type to jump on the internet to check it out. Even then you have to be careful. You do not go to a anti vaccination website to get impartial information about vaccinations and yet many get their info from biased websites. People tend to believe things that fit into their own belief system. Remember the Zimmerman trail? So much screaming and protesting against the Stand Your Ground law and yet more minorities use that defense than any other group. Plus, it had nothing to do with the Zimmerman trail. He did not use that as a defense. From the comments I read it was obvious that the sheep were listening to other uninformed people with an agenda. They did not even know the law pertaining to it and yet they were ready to kill for their beliefs.

These days I no longer try to correct anyone. I have learned that it is socially acceptable to nod in agreement with whatever is said, no matter how false it is. No one likes to be asked to prove what they say or defend it. If they believe it, it is a fact. Religion is a great example of belief taken as fact. That is the nature of humans I guess. There rarely are 100% accurate studies. I can conduct a study to show that 100% of people with cancer, drink water. Then conclude that there is a strong connection between water and cancer. The medical profession does it every time. They do not know a lot of things but see relationships between things and diseases. Is it the thing that causes the disease or that those who eat the thing tend to have a certain personality type or lifestyle. Eggs are bad, then they are good, then bad and good again.

In the end it often does come down to accepting as fact the things which fit into our personal belief system. You really have to read things carefully, look up all the words and terms you do not understand, find out from where and how they got their data and if the testing method was a double blind test as well as how many participated. Look at the polls for our last Presidential election to see an example of very smart people producing false results.

Many prefer to drown in a pool of their own morality rather than seek the safety of a different morality.
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NYT has big article on fake news today. All about Kellyanne Conway gaffe on Bowling Green. Nothing about these--> 16 Fake News Stories Reporters Have Run Since Trump Won
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I don't need to check my facts because I have the best facts.

I have many, many facts, and they're all tremendous.

Your facts are the worst. You should spend the next 5-10 years working on your facts game.

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Or how about that story being passed around during the Super Bowl that Roger Goodell broke up a bar fight. That was just so full of BS there's no need to fact check. You just know by the way it was told that it was nothing more than BS.
I'm of the worldly opinion that Mr. Goodell wouldn't lift one sorry finger of his to wipe his backside!

Having said that, if a story usually sounds to good to be true, independent research most always confirms that sad fact!



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And THAT, Folks, is why Fake News was "coined". Coined is the perfect term. Military folks know what I mean when applying this term.

This was the best thing that came out of the last news cycle. News has been slanted since..........forever!

I hope the people never get tired of saying "Fake News". Think it might be fake news.

Hopefully, it will keep journalist honest....Hah, more fake thoughts, wishful thoughts.

Propaganda won Stalin half of Europe, Hitler and Goebbels did well with this concept. As did, Mao....and now Kim Jun Ill the MF.

The American public...utter ignorant fools. They will believe anything. Why, they never fact check. Too busy doing stupid sh!t.

Their Motto: "My guy is great!"

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I am one of those people who rarely trust what I hear....not at face value... I understand a great many people liar, sugar coat, speak with charm that is hiding many truths, are trying to sell something for their own gain, or have some sort of agenda...

Pretty much anyone who makes it up the Ladder in Politics has been "bought" , sadly.

When I read reviews on Amazon, Ebay, Trip Advisor, Yelp, blogs.. anything...I specifically seek ALL the negatives..... this helps me weigh every situation ... I NEED to hear the naysayers to bring balance to the positives, no matter what I read.. and take in..

Some people are excessively sue happy, not balanced mentally (anyone can write an article), have a very different world view & values - these things need sorted out.. I often even google an author to read more of "their story" to help gain info on what they are all about/ their reputation.

I very much enjoy researching.. some things are beyond my comprehension and I feel a mountain in front of me even speaking on many things - because I don't know the truth or can explain WHY.. or understand many things about Politics for instance.. many times we need to just listen.. but always I want to hear both sides spoken before jumping in...

Also if something sounds "too good to be true".. don't be a fool.. there is a BIG "catch" something that will bite you down the road.... learn the fine details, learn the facts.. never trust too easily anything we hear.
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My job involves collecting and verifying information, then I have to present evidence based on what I know to be true, regardless of my own bias or opinion otherwise. I tend to do the same with the news. What I have found is that it more often than not consists of hyperbole designed to rile those who subscribe to whatever particular media publishing the story, so that those same people continue to tune in. This ups there ratings and allows them to sell advertising at a higher rate to make more money. If you want to follow the money just check out who the sponsors are for any given show or network.
Having said that I very seldom accept any news at face value. I always try to find source documents rather than going off the word of some one else's biased opinion. I often get accused of defending "the other side" when all I ever really try to defend is the actual truth as I know it. I am always willing to change my opinion of the truth when presented with actual evidence. Sadly that seldom happens because more often than not, whoever is having the discussion with me has limited their own understanding to only that which has been presented in the echo chamber of their choice.

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I used to travel a lot because of my job when I was younger and often went months staying in hotels.I always checked trip advisor beforehand and they normally were exactly what you were led to expect.Sometimes though the hotels were very poor and what I often found was the hotels were offering a chance to win a free stay for people's who left a good review online.
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I'm of the worldly opinion that Mr. Goodell wouldn't lift one sorry finger of his to wipe his backside!

Having said that, if a story usually sounds to good to be true, independent research most always confirms that sad fact!
Yep if it sounds like BS it more than likely is. They had a real chuckle about this one on sports radio.
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