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So I should ask. Does the shoe fit, Vlad? Because you were the only one of us trying them on. Specifically, in this situation, as I have pointed out - refugees from those seven countries have killed exactly 0 Americans 1975. So those of you cheerleading this placebo, and then defending it are the ones guilty of type of finger pointing you spoke about previously. Now if Trump had had any balls and included Saudi Arabia, the UAR, Egypt etc on his list, I might have been able to get on board.
The shoe is not particularly my style because I try, and with pretty good success, to not be manipulated by controlled interpretation of meanings. Plato advised rule makers to seek control of the popular idiom as a first step of political domination. They were doing the same crap 2,000 years ago, they're doing today.
I just don't see a lot of merit in your belief that something bad should happen before we exercise methods to protect our citizen. These countries got on the list for a reason. They either deserve to be there or they don't. I didn't make the list so I don't know. Playing Radical Islamic roulette, hoping a live round don't line up with the firing pin as these folks enter the countries is probably something very few folks would want to see. Like it or not, a lot of people will prima facie judge you by the neighborhood you're from.


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The current EB-5 green card category money requirement is $500k-$1m, and the process is a bit more elaborate.
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The current EB-5 green card category money requirement is $500k-$1m, and the process is a bit more elaborate.
I don't know where your information is coming from, but the 3 families I tutor their kids are not rich (well, the drug lord kid probably is). They are dentists that practice in Mexico and got the business in order to be able to keep their kids safe here in America and attend schools here as well. They don't have $500,000 much less a million dollars. They are struggling to keep the business afloat by putting in their own money from their businesses in Mexico. Mexico is very unsafe right now and business owners over there are coming and putting their businesses over here because the drug war cartels are using extortion to allow them to keep their businesses going. The meat markets, tortilla factories, and party stores that had their goods in Mexico are now here in Texas with the same store names they had in Mexico. These were our local mom and pop shops over there. Believe me, they don't have that kind of money and yet they are here running their businesses. These are people I knew growing up. They were not rich.

That is why this is so disturbing to me. I didn't notice this until I moved way down south in Texas two years ago. I was living in ignorant bliss in Houston, Texas; a mere 6 hours away from what I see here. It's scary. What my brother said all those years ago started hitting home once I realized just how easy it was to get a green card here. Maybe there is corruption in the lower part of Texas, but that this is going on; it surely is.

Mexico has been really bad for about 5 years, but Central American countries have had it this bad for about 10. That is why the Honduras nationals were becoming Mexican nationals and living in Mexico. Well, Mexico is not safe anymore either. If normal educated folks, and small business owners can get a green card here with about $50,000 or less, I can't imagine some terrorists with money wouldn't try that route, especially with countries like Honduras whose business owners are from the Middle East. What would these people want from such a poor third world country?

Me thinks getting into America's back yard (Mexico) and then just jump in with legal status none the less.

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I've looked up the eb-5 visa category and the amount is mentioned there.

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I've looked up the eb-5 visa category and the amount is mentioned there.

EB-5: Investment Based Green Card
I understand, but what I know and see with my own eyes is not something I read. I am living it and it's scary. I thought only very rich folks could afford to come to America and put up their businesses, that is not reality here in my hometown; and I suspect elsewhere may not be either.

Now the adult day care centers and senior home health centers are indeed businesses that require a large chunk of change to operate, but not the dollar stores, restaurants, meat markets, tortilla factories etc.

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Easy answer. Imaginary numbers. The limit used to be a lot lower and the process a lot easier but like anything else it got over used.

It could well be they grossly misrepresented the dollar amounts but created the 10 jobs.
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The shoe is not particularly my style (despite the fact that the shoe fits you) because I try, and with pretty good success (except in this case apparently) , to not be manipulated by controlled interpretation of meanings such as when you were told this ban is to protect you from the boogie man who could, maybe, possibly come from one of these seven countries, despite the fact that 0 Americans have actually been killed by a terrorist act from any of them?. Plato advised rule makers to seek control of the popular idiom as a first step of political domination and our government has become masters of it. In this case to create a phantom menace and then to convince you to ask that more be spnt to defend you) . They were doing the same crap 2,000 years ago, they're doing today. (yep, they sure are)
I just don't see a lot of merit in your belief that something bad should happen before we exercise methods to protect our citizen because we are being protected from a phantom menace). These countries got on the list for a reason namely Obama had been drone striking the hell out of them) . They either deserve to be there or they don't being that 0 Americans have been killed from anyone from those countries they don't, OTOH Saudi Arabia, Egypt etc do) . I didn't make the list so I don't know Neither did I, but I found out, rather than just accept stories I have been manipulated to believe) . Playing Radical Islamic roulette which we are doing regardless, hoping a live round don't line up with the firing pin instead we are actually increasing the chance a bullet does line up by creating the phantom menace, instead of actually dealing with the real threatas these folks enter the countries is probably something very few folks would want to see only because they have been manipulated into believing that this particular action will do something about it. Like it or not, a lot of people will prima facie judge you by the neighborhood you're from (being popular does not make something correct).

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I want to comment on this sentence right here. There is a bunch of implications while ignoring "status quo".



First, I find it ironic you are demonizing this judge by stating that he made himself a "national security expert", but that is exactly what Trump did early on with very little knowledge of any of this. Trump claimed he was smarter than our generals. So, while it will be tough to tell whether this judge is right or wrong with respect to what keeps us safe, to use what's trump has done against Trump as a negative is mind boggling to me.



Second, this judge didn't make him a "National Security Expert". What he did was believe that the president, who claims to be one, isn't one either. The judge didn't enact any laws or somehow rewrite any guidelines. He just put a stay on an executive order that brought our National Security back to what it was prior, or status quo. Had this judge removed some countries off of the list and somehow added different ones, then I could see your argument. All he did was say, "yeah, no, we are stopping this and going back to what was".


The president has the legal right to do what he did.

The judge reverted back legal orders to the "status" quo of a ex-president of a different party.

Why does Obama get to set national security policy but not Trump?

Your response was blatantly partisan.

The judges order was disgusting.
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Conservatives taking offense at blatantly partisan decisions. Who knew???

Each member of the so-called cabinet was as blatantly partisan as any I have seen in 3 plus decades.

And now the court is partisan? Epic LOLZ.
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Hey Y, I said I had pretty good success rather than complete success. The problem I have with your analysis is that this phantom menace can only be cleared as a phantom menace in the future if nothing happens. Its possible that the reason zero American are dead are because they couldn't become targets. Perhaps President Obama was correct when he said he kept us safe from terrorist. Given a choice, I can go two routes; what you're proposing (that's its a phantom issue) and what the Trump Administration is proposing that terrorist might sneak in. Given those choices, I believe its more in the self interest of the citizens, (well I'll just say it, me and mine) to back Trump and he be wrong than to back your approach and you be wrong.


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Easy answer. Imaginary numbers. The limit used to be a lot lower and the process a lot easier but like anything else it got over used.

It could well be they grossly misrepresented the dollar amounts but created the 10 jobs.
That is actually very feasible. Most of the home health centers and adult day care centers grossly misrepresent the amount of seniors they cater to.

How about NAFTA? Is there a loop hole there where businesses don't only inundate our market with their products, but can sell their products in their own stores here in the USA?

The party store comes to mind. You go in there and it looks like your typical Mexican party store. The pinatas, candy, toys and even their drinks are all made in Mexico. Our local Walmarts and HEBs are inundated with these products as well, along with many of their medications too.

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That is actually very feasible. Most of the home health centers and adult day care centers grossly misrepresent the amount of seniors they cater to.



How about NAFTA? Is there a loop hole there where businesses don't only inundate our market with their products, but can sell their products in their own stores here in the USA?



The party store comes to mind. You go in there and it looks like your typical Mexican party store. The pinatas, candy, toys and even their drinks are all made in Mexico. Our local Walmarts and HEBs are inundated with these products as well, along with many of their medications too.


It is very unlikely Walmart sells any medications from Mexico.
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It is very unlikely Walmart sells any medications from Mexico.
I will post a picture straight from their pharmacy department aisle. I am not making this up. Why would I? It's very easy to prove. The medications I used to buy in Mexico for flu, cough, headache, nausea, as well as to control and stop swelling I buy at my local Walmart. I don't have to cross the border to be in Mexico when I have little Mexico in my own Texas town. Maybe the pharmaceutical companies here make the same product I can buy in Mexico? They have the same name, formula and of course are used to cure the same ailments. I am going to check where the product is made and by who. I can ask one of my parents to buy me those same meds in Mexico to compare them.

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I will post a picture straight from their pharmacy department aisle. I am not making this up. Why would I? It's very easy to prove. The medications I used to buy in Mexico for flu, cough, headache, nausea, as well as to control and stop swelling I buy at my local Walmart. I don't have to cross the border to be in Mexico when I have little Mexico in my own Texas town. Maybe the pharmaceutical companies here make the same product I can buy in Mexico? They have the same name, formula and of course are used to cure the same ailments. I am going to check where the product is made and by who. I can ask one of my parents to buy me those same meds in Mexico to compare them.


Please send me a pic. I spent five years in the pharma business. Curious.
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Hey Y, I said I had pretty good success rather than complete success. The problem I have with your analysis is that this phantom menace can only be cleared as a phantom menace in the future if nothing happens. Its possible that the reason zero American are dead are because they couldn't become targets. Perhaps President Obama was correct when he said he kept us safe from terrorist. Given a choice, I can go two routes; what you're proposing (that's its a phantom issue) and what the Trump Administration is proposing that terrorist might sneak in. Given those choices, I believe its more in the self interest of the citizens, (well I'll just say it, me and mine) to back Trump and he be wrong than to back your approach and you be wrong.
The problem is if you are wrong we are going to create a whole bunch of radicals (google blowback) where as if I am wrong nothing changes since 0 Americans have been killed by anyone from these seven countries. Banning travelers from these seven countries does nothing but placate a bunch of irrational fear about something that was never something to be afraid of in the first place

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