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post #16 of 56 (permalink) Old 02-13-2017, 11:20 PM
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You don't need them there because we had guns over here.

Otherwise you'd be speaking German, assuming your parents weren't slaughtered before you were born.
Having guns in your neck of the woods, did not stop the Germans at all. Are you trying to claim credit for the Soviet defeat of Germany?

At the end of the day it is a moot point, since (long before the United States entered the war) Germany could not achieve control of the air over Britain, and consequently would have been unable to effectively protect any invasion fleet in the face of the Royal Navy.

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You don't need them there because we had guns over here.

Otherwise you'd be speaking German, assuming your parents weren't slaughtered before you were born.

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"Above all, fear spouses: Husbands are incomparably more deadly in America than jihadist terrorists.

"And husbands are so deadly in part because in America they have ready access to firearms, even when they have a history of violence. In other countries, brutish husbands put wives in hospitals; in America, they put them in graves."

(from https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/11/o...errorists.html)
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No, we don't have guns in the UK, for which I am very grateful.
There are around two million legally held firearms in England and Wales alone,one point three million are shotguns.It is estimated by UK police that there are about two million illegally held firearms.
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Thank God we don't have guns here.
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Same in Aussie, thank The Universe.
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Murders in the UK (and number where a gun or firearm caused the fatality)

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Total Number of Gun Deaths

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Lol OK "we don't have a gun toting culture in Aust", is that better.

Deaths per 100k of population USA ranked 11th in the world, Aust ranked 55th.
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"Above all, fear spouses: Husbands are incomparably more deadly in America than jihadist terrorists.

"And husbands are so deadly in part because in America they have ready access to firearms, even when they have a history of violence. In other countries, brutish husbands put wives in hospitals; in America, they put them in graves."

(from https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/11/o...errorists.html)
OMG - these people are SERIOUS. It boggles the mind.
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Lol OK "we don't have a gun toting culture in Aust", is that better.
It's at least more accurate...
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No, we don't have guns in the UK, for which I am very grateful.
Well, I have some bad news for you. Crime, including gun crime, is up in the UK since you did away with citizens being able to own guns.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-thomas-sowell
"The crime rate, including the rate of crimes committed with guns, is far higher in Britain now than it was back in the days when there were few restrictions on Britons buying firearms. In 1954, there were only a dozen armed robberies in London but, by the 1990s – after decades of ever tightening gun ownership restrictions – there were more than a hundred times as many armed robberies."

Study after study shows that gun control laws do not seem to affect violent crime one way or another for a country, other than there is usually a temporary spike in gun crime after a gun ban.

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Thank God we dont have guns here.
Oh, but we do. Owned by criminals in many cases.

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Oh, but we do. Owned by criminals in many cases.
Same in Aussie but at least I have never had to worry about my kids being shot at school. Or that a family member will "accidentally" be killed by their kid while driving and the kid finds a gun on the back seat. I know which type of culture is a better place to raise children in.

Criminals will always be around but my kids will never "accidentally" shoot each other or their mates.
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Same in Aussie, thank The Universe.
You can thank the universe, but it's for naught. The murder rate was already declining in Australia before the ban (as it was here in the US) and in both countries, it simply continued its downward trajectory. Suicides are not down, people just opt to hang themselves more often. Other violent crimes actually went UP in Australia. Also, there are more guns in Australia today than there were before the gun restrictions were passed. (You do have guns in Australia, quite a few of them and the number is growing.)

The Australian Gun Ban Conceit
Harvard Gun Study: The More Guns, The Less Criminal Activity : Headlines : Headlines & Global News
http://www.melbourneinstitute.com/do.../wp2008n17.pdf
(Conclusion - the gun buy back was expensive but didn't impact gun crime.)
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You can thank the universe, but it's for naught. The murder rate was already declining in Australia before the ban (as it was here in the US) and in both countries, it simply continued its downward trajectory. Suicides are not down, people just opt to hang themselves more often. Other violent crimes actually went UP in Australia. Also, there are more guns in Australia today than there were before the gun restrictions were passed. (You do have guns in Australia, quite a few of them and the number is growing.)

The Australian Gun Ban Conceit
Harvard Gun Study: The More Guns, The Less Criminal Activity : Headlines : Headlines & Global News
http://www.melbourneinstitute.com/do.../wp2008n17.pdf
(Conclusion - the gun buy back was expensive but didn't impact gun crime.)
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Oh, but we do. Owned by criminals in many cases.
Same in Aussie but at least I have never had to worry about my kids being shot at school. Or that a family member will "accidentally" be killed by their kid while driving and the kid finds a gun on the back seat. I know which type of culture is a better place to raise children in.

Criminals will always be around but my kids will never "accidentally" shoot each other or their mates.
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Well, I have some bad news for you. Crime, including gun crime, is up in the UK since you did away with citizens being able to own guns.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-thomas-sowell
"The crime rate, including the rate of crimes committed with guns, is far higher in Britain now than it was back in the days when there were few restrictions on Britons buying firearms. In 1954, there were only a dozen armed robberies in London but, by the 1990s – after decades of ever tightening gun ownership restrictions – there were more than a hundred times as many armed robberies."

Study after study shows that gun control laws do not seem to affect violent crime one way or another for a country, other than there is usually a temporary spike in gun crime after a gun ban.
Massive study of Australia's gun laws shows one thing: they work - ScienceAlert


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Massive Study of Australia's Gun Laws Shows One Thing: They Work
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FIONA MACDONALD 23 JUN 2016
It's been 20 years since Australia rolled out nation-wide gun law reform. And now an analysis of more than four decades of data on violence in the country has come up with a conclusion: it worked.

The study found there have been no fatal mass shootings since April 1996 - despite experiencing one every two to three years in the decades leading up to the changes. There's also been an overall drop in the number of people killed by guns.


"If you take away the means of committing a mass killing with firearms, you don't have mass killings for the next 20 years," lead researcher Simon Chapman from the University of Sydney told ABC. "That's been our experience here [in Australia]."

The results come at a time when the US is reeling after its most deadly mass shooting ever, and experts are predicting that around 30,000 people will be killed - or kill themselves - with guns in the country this year.

But last week, the US Senate rejected four proposals to tighten gun laws, amid arguments that gun control takes away personal freedoms, and won't necessarily stop humans from killing each other.

To figure out whether or not that was the case, a team of Australian researchers looked at government stats on gun deaths between 1979 and 2013, as well as media reports of mass shootings - which is classified as an event where five or more people are killed by gunshot wounds.

The researchers found that there had been 13 fatal mass shootings in the 18 years prior to the new laws being rolled out, killing 104 people. But in the 20 years since, there have been none.

And while the rate of total firearm deaths was already in decline before the gun control reform, since then, it's dropped almost twice as fast. Gun-related suicides have followed a similar trend.


"Opponents of public health measures to reduce the availability of firearms often claim that 'killers just find another way'," said one of the researchers, Philip Alpers. "Our findings show the opposite: there is no evidence of murderers moving to other methods, and the same is true of suicide."

Australia first introduced its gun laws following a tragic mass shooting in Port Arthur, Tasmania, in April 1996, when a man used two semiautomatic rifles to kill 35 people, and wound a further 19.

The government responded quickly - less than three months after the event, Australia had banned all rapid-fire long guns, including those that were already privately owned, and introduced strict punishments for anyone caught in possession of the weapons - including jail time.

To further encourage gun owners to give up their existing weapons, the government bought back all the outlawed guns at market price, no questions asked.

In 2003, the federal government also began buying back handguns - and since 1996, more than a million privately owned weapons have been surrendered or seized, before being melted down for metal. Overall, gun ownership has declined by 75 percent in the country between 1988 and 2005.

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But many opponents of gun control argue that Australia was already a safe place, and that these gun laws didn't have any significant effect on gun violence in the decades that followed.

While past studies have failed to draw any definite conclusions, this latest research demonstrates for the first time that the gun control laws did reduce deaths.

Here are some of the key findings from the study:

Between 1979 and 1996, total firearm deaths in Australia were dropping an average of 3 percent each year. In the 20 years since, they've declined at a rate of 5 percent annually.
There was also an acceleration in the decline of both gun-related suicides and homicides following the new laws.
The researchers also looked at the rates of all causes of suicide and homicide, to get a feeling for whether people were simply substituting guns for other violent methods. But that wasn't the case.
One thing wasn't quite so black and white though. Because homicides of all kinds (not just shootings) have been on the decline since 1996, the team can’t statistically say for sure that gun laws were the catalyst that caused gun-related murders to drop.

In other words, they were able to show that the 1996 gun laws lead to fewer people being killed by guns overall. They also definitely caused gun-related suicides to drop - but we can't say with statistical significance that they kicked off the accelerated decline in gun-related murders.

But taken together, the results paint a clear picture, the researchers conclude in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

"To me there are two key findings from this study," said one of the researchers, Mike Jones, from Macquarie University in Sydney. "One is that in the 20 years after the passage of gun control laws there has not been a mass shooting in Australia despite an average of two every three years for some time before that. The other is that the acceleration of the decline in gun-related deaths means lives saved."

"We can argue over how many, but the data says lives have been saved," he added.

Similarly, a review of gun control laws in more than 10 countries over the past 60 years, published back in March, showed compelling evidence that the tighter legislation reduced firearm deaths.

Chapman hopes that their results might encourage other countries to take the plunge on gun law reform in order to save lives.

"In today's context, these findings offer an example which, with public support and political courage, might reduce gun deaths in other countries," he said.
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