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Lol OK "we don't have a gun toting culture in Aust", is that better.
And that, plus all the beautiful women with their compelling accents, is why you don't have to worry about me moving to Australia no matter how much my husband begs!

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Deaths per 100k of population USA ranked 11th in the world, Aust ranked 55th.
Yes, we're clearly more violent here in the US. But it has nothing to do with gun ownership or gun laws, other than our murder rates are higher where there are fewer guns per capita.

But Look at Mexico to our south with their extremely high gun control laws. Their murder rate is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate (you can sort by murder rate)

Here you can see countries listed by guns per capita (we win! we win!).
All countries compared for Crime > Violent crime > Gun crime > Guns per 100 residents
If you compare gun ownership in countries to murder rates you will see there simply is no correlation. It's all over the place.

You may feel safer thinking there are not guns around you, but you're not. I feel safer driving in my car than I do riding in an airplane. Doesn't make it so.

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Oh, but we do. Owned by criminals in many cases.
Same in Aussie but at least I have never had to worry about my kids being shot at school. Or that a family member will "accidentally" be killed by their kid while driving and the kid finds a gun on the back seat. I know which type of culture is a better place to raise children in.

Criminals will always be around but my kids will never "accidentally" shoot each other or their mates.
Why do you never have to worry about your kids being shot at school? There are more guns in your country today than before your gun control laws.

Do you kids finding guns in the back seats of cars and shooting their parents is a common phenomena in the US? Or people accidentally shooting themselves or others for any reason? Yes, accidents happen, and when they do you hear about it. They are extremely rare but just "feel" common because the media amplifies them. More kids die from falling off bikes than gun shots in the US.

You have a feeling about which culture is better to raise children in. And if you're happy with the fact that you can't own a gun to protect your children from a violent intruder, that's fine. But you are mixing your feelings up with facts. I would much rather raise children in a culture where I have the right and ability to protect them from harm. Here's a story on a woman who had two small children at home when an intruder pried open their door with a crowbar and tried to get them as they tried to hide in a crawl space. Her husband is on the phone with her coaching her to shoot him while he's on the other line with emergency.
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Why do you never have to worry about your kids being shot at school? There are more guns in your country today than before your gun control laws.

Do you kids finding guns in the back seats of cars and shooting their parents is a common phenomena in the US? Or people accidentally shooting themselves or others for any reason? Yes, accidents happen, and when they do you hear about it. They are extremely rare but just "feel" common because the media amplifies them. More kids die from falling off bikes than gun shots in the US.

You have a feeling about which culture is better to raise children in. And if you're happy with the fact that you can't own a gun to protect your children from a violent intruder, that's fine. But you are mixing your feelings up with facts. I would much rather raise children in a culture where I have the right and ability to protect them from harm. Here's a story on a woman who had two small children at home when an intruder pried open their door with a crowbar and tried to get them as they tried to hide in a crawl space. Her husband is on the phone with her coaching her to shoot him while he's on the other line with emergency. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr6EaxJ7XWo
I suggest you read the excerpt from the article I posted. there are 75% LESS guns in Aust post gun control and no fatal mass shooting at all. My kids don't have to go through metal detectors at school and there is zero fear of anyone having a gun at school. Yes I feel safe here, of course bad stuff happens anywhere but putting my kids into a gun culture will never be something I aspire to do.
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Same in Aussie but at least I have never had to worry about my kids being shot at school. Or that a family member will "accidentally" be killed by their kid while driving and the kid finds a gun on the back seat. I know which type of culture is a better place to raise children in.

Criminals will always be around but my kids will never "accidentally" shoot each other or their mates.
But innocent people get shot in the UK, too.

Lewisham shooting: Gunman opens fire on party-goers in drive-by shooting | London Evening Standard

Man suffers 'life-changing injuries' in drive-by shooting in Stanford-le-Hope, Essex Police confirms | News | Yellow Advertiser

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ve-by-shooting

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...s-police-gangs

Drive-by shooting in Levenshulme was 'targeted attack' say police - Manchester Evening News

Obviously not as many in the USA, but still too many.

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Any shooting death is one too many MattMatt
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Having guns in your neck of the woods, did not stop the Germans at all. Are you trying to claim credit for the Soviet defeat of Germany?

At the end of the day it is a moot point, since (long before the United States entered the war) Germany could not achieve control of the air over Britain, and consequently would have been unable to effectively protect any invasion fleet in the face of the Royal Navy.


Talk about rewriting history. Ugh. Facts will be wasted on you.
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13,826 gun deaths in the U.S., excluding suicides, in 2015.

35,092 auto accident fatalities in the U.S. in 2015.

Seems to me we need to ban cars.

Follow the evidence where it leads and question everything.
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Seems to me we need to ban cars.
I understand they tried that in Germany and people kept driving. Not only that, but many are driving much faster seemingly in response.

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Talk about rewriting history. Ugh. Facts will be wasted on you.
Lend/Lease probably saved both Russia and Britain. The war is totally different if Hitler doesn't attack Russia in the summer of 1941. Had they kept the truce until they defeated Britain, things would be very different today. Russia needed the 2nd front to pull Germany in two directions as well....
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There are around two million legally held firearms in England and Wales alone,one point three million are shotguns.It is estimated by UK police that there are about two million illegally held firearms.
It is the guns that do not exist that often end your life.

In most of our big cities we have no-go zones. Areas where you are in danger of violence. Getting robbed, beat up, or killed.

Guns are like germs...they are everywhere. Especially in Europe, after the two big Wars, I, II.

If no gun is available, a hammer will do the job. And every kitchen has a big knife.

If good, law abiding folks give up their guns, then only criminals have guns. A very trite saying that, if ignored, proves to be prescient.

As I understand it, that is a problem in Aussie Land [guns were rounded up, criminals keeping theirs] ??

Wishing it weren't so is naive. Wishing that people were civilized does not protect your life. The police come after an act of violence occurs.

Carrying a gun may not save your life. Not carrying a gun increases the odds of losing your life. Especially, if you travel through bad areas.


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Any shooting death is one too many MattMatt
One Automobile death is one too many.

This mantra could be extended to anything and everything

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One Automobile death is one too many.

This mantra could be extended to anything and everything
Yes it could but we were talking about guns.
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Yes it could but we were talking about guns.
Yes. Now what makes them special? Is there a logical difference between the argument you made and the one I made.

Should we ban cars? Electricity? Water? If not, what makes guns special in that they need banning?

Any loss of life is one too many. What a joke. The only logical answer if you believe this is to ban children. Only then will there be no loss of life.

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13,826 gun deaths in the U.S., excluding suicides, in 2015.

35,092 auto accident fatalities in the U.S. in 2015.

Seems to me we need to ban cars.
Why, were cars created to kill? And do guns have any other use?

The logical fallacy here is stunning.
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Yes. Now what makes them special? Is there a logical difference between the argument you made and the one I made.
Yes, I even said it below without reading that you thing there is a logical correlation between gun related deaths and car related deaths. Quote me the number of people intentionally run over as a comparison and then you'd have some sort of logical coherence.
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