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Your study is out of date. It appears to study up to 2005. This is 2017 and as of 2015 there were as many guns in Australia as before the gun control laws, and increasing. (Though fewer people still owned guns, so 1 person might have 5 guns where before 5 people might have had 1 gun each. But you're mistaken if you think there are fewer guns due to your laws.)
Australia's gun ownership levels return | SBS News.

Your study admits the murder rate was already going down before the gun control laws but claims it accelerated from a 3 to 5% drop. The study seems to blindly declare every change in Australian culture since 1996 is a direct result of your gun control laws, but they fail to give a reason for assuming that. The study may have been "massive" but apparently it was not well done.

What I am saying is that there was a similar downward trend in gun violence in the US and many other countries that do and do not have your gun control laws. It accelerated similarly during the same time frame.

I understand it's instinctual to hear of a shooting and think - if only guns were illegal this would never happen - I have the same instinct/thought. But when you look at FACTS and DATA - Violent crime and murder rates simply do not seem to be connected to gun control laws. I personally would rather retain my right to own a gun than give it up so other people can feel safer even though they're actually not.

Your study also keeps talking about "mass shootings" and how they are down. They CLAIM that people don't just use other methods to kill and commit suicide, but that is not what I am reading everywhere else. Here is Wikipedia's list of mass murders in Australia - they have not gone away and people ARE finding other ways - arson, vehicles, gassing, drowning, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_in_Australia


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I personally would rather retain my right to own a gun than give it up so other people can feel safer even though they're actually not.
Same for me. I'm a gun owner, although I don't conceal and carry. That would be uncomfortable for me. I have them in my home. I REFUSE to be a victim in my own home. You come through my door, I'm shooting to kill.

Let's not forget that some, if not the majority of these mass shootings (at least in the U.S.) are due to mentally ill people. Unless and until we address the mental health aspect of gun ownership, we will continue to see carnage, unfortunately.
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I personally would rather retain my right to own a gun than give it up so other people can feel safer even though they're actually not.
Same for me. I'm a gun owner, although I don't conceal and carry. That would be uncomfortable for me. I have them in my home. I REFUSE to be a victim in my own home. You come through my door, I'm shooting to kill.

Let's not forget that some, if not the majority of these mass shootings (at least in the U.S.) are perpetrated by mentally ill people. Unless and until we address the mental health aspect of gun ownership, we will continue to see carnage, unfortunately.
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There are around two million legally held firearms in England and Wales alone,one point three million are shotguns.It is estimated by UK police that there are about two million illegally held firearms.
Obviously that isn't possible. The entire UK is a gun-free zone!

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This mantra could be extended to anything and everything
One cannabis death is one too many!

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Why, were cars created to kill? And do guns have any other use?

The logical fallacy here is stunning.
Both are inanimate objects that, when operated by humans, can and do cause the deaths of humans. If we're going to ban an inanimate object, we should probably ban the one that causes more deaths.

Follow the evidence where it leads and question everything.
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I'm very disappointed in this thread. It has been completely thread jacked and no moderation even considered. The thread is clearly titled "Ban husbands!". Yet no one has even mentioned the banning of husbands, removing legal marriage, or the tireless work of groups like MGTOW to help reduce the number of Husbands. I'm Shocked.
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Despite a reminder about threadjacking, the threadjacks continued.

As a result, this thread has been tidied up.

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Huh? You claimed there were less guns in Australia than prior to the gun laws per your study. NOT TRUE.
You claim there have been no mass shootings since '96 per your study. NOT TRUE. I gave you a list that included EIGHT mass shootings in Australia since '96. ALL of them included fatalities, most had additional people wounded. Not to mention multiple other massacres by means, some quite inventive, other than guns.

Your society, overall, probably is "non gun toting" compared to the US. And I'm glad you're glad. It would suck to be stuck someplace without the right to defend yourself and be unhappy about it. You're Australian. You like your countries current gun laws. Nothing wrong with that.

All I am saying - with empirical evidence to back it up - is that your gun laws have nothing to do with the violent crime or murder rate in your country. We all feel what we feel. It feels real to us, but that doesn't make it real. But hey, I have always said - a fool's paradise is better than none!
Ditto to you. You can choose to ignore facts but that does not make you right even if you think you are.

Australia Hasn?t Had A Mass Shooting Since 1996 | Gizmodo Australia

Australian gun deaths slashed since 1996 | SBS News

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Do you hear the people sing / Lost in the valley of the night?
It is the music of a people / Who are climbing to the light.
For the wretched of the earth / There is a flame that never dies.
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