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post #136 of 453 (permalink) Old 02-16-2017, 01:05 PM
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But the article was about white privilege, not about other types of privilege.

There are plenty of articles about intersectionality, which is the intersection of different types of privilege.

It is like you are reading an article about the moon, and then asking "why don't they talk about Mars and Jupiter in this article, too?"
The beauty of the human mind affords us the opportunity to question and discuss the subject at hand. Simply reading an article and taking it for all that is written to be true would not be prudent.


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As the OP, I will gladly open up the discussion to all "privilege" , big or small
Ok but that will simply end any meaningful discussion on the original topic. It is clear that those who understand the concept understand it, and those who don't, don't, and they will not understand it simply from this type of discussion.....so sure, why not. Have at it.

And the wheels on the bus go round and round.....round and round.....round and round.....

I'll make my curtsy and exit now, thank you.

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When you keep saying things like the bolded, it makes it obvious that you don't understand the term or the concept behind it.
The concept relates that whites live a privilege life and receive things or benefits solely on skin color. If you want to stick to what the article is about and not discuss the implications then so be it.

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Ok but that will simply end any meaningful discussion on the original topic. It is clear that those who understand the concept understand it, and those who don't, don't, and they will not understand it simply from this type of discussion.....so sure, why not. Have at it.

And the wheels on the bus go round and round.....round and round.....round and round.....

I'll make my curtsy and exit now, thank you.
It is clear you are dismissing discussion about the other side of the coin. It is a concept. Best probably to leave it at that.

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I think a lot of it depends on WHERE you are white.

I am white, born in Africa and forced to leave or risk being killed. Dad put up steel plate behind my crib so as to deflect machine gun fire. Being white apparently did me no good in Algeria.
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I think a lot of it depends on WHERE you are white.

I am white, born in Africa and forced to leave or risk being killed. Dad put up steel plate behind my crib so as to deflect machine gun fire. Being white apparently did me no good in Algeria.
Holy crap!

Good point. But the article is not about Algeria. Does not count.

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Its funny, but my mother was able to explain these concepts to me without "harping" on them. Seems "harping" is just a dismissive way of saying "I don't want to hear this because it is uncomfortable".
Ok, since you've passed on responding to my question about what good does this do for those without privilege in favor questioning my use of the word "harping", I'll reword my comment to remove that point of contention in order to see if I can get an actual response.

According to the dictionary, privilege is a special advantage available to a particular group of people.

Is being white an advantage in many ways?

Yes

What's the point? What good does focusing on this point do for those who do not have privilege?

Let say my kid has an IQ of 100 (and no, there's really not much you can do to change it).

He's getting a C in his Algebra class. Some people (those with "smart privilege") get A's and it seems like many of them don't even study.

Do I have the smart kids wear "smart privilege" buttons so that my kid feels better?

Do I want the other kids to understand that they get A's only because they are privileged and that my kid can't be expected to get an A since he doesn't share that privilege?

How about the kids that are smart and work hard? Should they be made to understand that getting an A isn't really all that much of an achievement?

Do I tell my kid that it's okay for him to get C's because he's not smart like other people?

Or do I tell him that, even though it's harder for him to get A's in algebra than some, if he works enough, he too can get A's in Algebra.]
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Holy crap!

Good point. But the article is not about Algeria. Does not count.
Point being, I cannot change where or what color I was born.

So, given we had two choices:
1. Suitcase
2. Coffin

We chose the suitcase.

Where to go? America, where else!

IMO privilege has more to do with where you live than the color of your skin. Granted, the United States has some serious, serious issues. Regardless, white, green or blue, I would not want to live anywhere else.

God Bless America!
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I have a good friend who was a gay activist starting in the early 80s. I've watched the incredible success of that movement. Whether or not they agree with the movement's goals , I think anyone has to agree that it has been successful in just a generation in changing public opinion and laws about homosexuality.
The genius of the gay rights movement was that they focused on their desire to marry and join the military!

That's how you move your issue forward.
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Ok but that will simply end any meaningful discussion on the original topic. It is clear that those who understand the concept understand it, and those who don't, don't, and they will not understand it simply from this type of discussion.....so sure, why not. Have at it.
If the goal is to communicate and the people you wish to communicate with don't understand the concept you're using.........

Perhaps it's time to use another concept.

Or, you could just go on using the same concept and continue failing to communicate.

Your choice, but I think one action is more effective than the other.

Unless you aren't interested in communicating and really only care about virtue signalling.

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Point being, I cannot change where or what color I was born.

So, given we had two choices:
1. Suitcase
2. Coffin

We chose the suitcase.

Where to go? America, where else!

IMO privilege has more to do with where you live than the color of your skin. Granted, the United States has some serious, serious issues. Regardless, white, green or blue, I would not want to live anywhere else.

God Bless America!

That was my point sir. The idea of white privilege is solely something found in the US. Some focus only inside the US borders. It is a concept that one can not have an opinion on or interpret(according to a poster here on this thread). It is cut and dry.

But yeah, God Bless America.

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Can someone please explain who is "white" under "white privilege", what group(s) are we covering? Is it everyone who is not black? What about someone who is maybe half black/half "white", does it depend on how dark they are? How about people who have darker skin but are not black? Just simply trying to figure out what groups we are lumping in under each of these "white" and "non white" categories.
Good question. I'm still trying to figure this out.

My genetic make up based on my DNA test:

Europe
Italy/Greece
Ireland
Europe West
Iberian Peninsula
Scandinavia
Europe East
Great Britain
European Jewish
America
Native American
West Asia
Caucasus
Middle East
North Africa
South Asia
Area of India/SW China
So what am I? Am I white? Or am I a "person of color"

My parents had 8 children. Half of us have light-brown to blond hair with blue eyes and light skin. Half of us have dark/black hair, brown/black eyes and olive/darker skin.

I'm blond, blue eyed and light skinned.

Are half of us people of color and the other half "whites with privilege"?

Do I get a pass because some of my relatives were slaves held by people in the Ottoman Empire. They ended up in Italy because they escaped and traveled to Italy. There are entire towns in Italy that were started by these escaped slaves. Does that slavery count?

How about the Irish who were brought to the Americas as slaves (Yes there were slaves. We can have another thread about this if people want.) Does that count in my ancestry?

So what am I? How do we determine who is "white"?
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Good question. I'm still trying to figure this out.

My genetic make up based on my DNA test:

Europe
Italy/Greece
Ireland
Europe West
Iberian Peninsula
Scandinavia
Europe East
Great Britain
European Jewish
America
Native American
West Asia
Caucasus
Middle East
North Africa
South Asia
Area of India/SW China
So what am I? Am I white? Or am I a "person of color"

My parents had 8 children. Half of us have light-brown to blond hair with blue eyes and light skin. Half of us have dark/black hair, brown/black eyes and olive/darker skin.

I'm blond, blue eyed and light skinned.

Are half of us people of color and the other half "whites with privilege"?

Do I get a pass because some of my relatives were slaves held by people in the Ottoman Empire. They ended up in Italy because they escaped and traveled to Italy. There are entire towns in Italy that were started by these escaped slaves. Does that slavery count?

How about the Irish who were brought to the Americas as slaves (Yes there were slaves. We can have another thread about this if people want.) Does that count in my ancestry?

So what am I? How do we determine who is "white"?

None of his counts or matters because of this:

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None of those minority groups were subject to lynchings, to being owned property, or to be subject to laws designed to deny them education or jobs or housing. Consider slavery ended after the civil war ended, 1865. But black people were routinely denied rights and were subject to extreme segregation for another 100 years.


Yet, it is concept that is not open to opinion or interpretation.

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White privilege is the topic. Not minority oppression. Not bigotry. Not racism, well not specifically racism. Racism is a part of white privilege only in that racism is part of what created white privilege.

While everything you said above is true it doesn't refute the fact that white people have grown up with privileges black people have not.

Those in the LGBTQ community have also been oppressed but the white LGBTQ have still enjoyed white privilege.

When the Germans immigrated they were despised ....until word got around their beer was outstanding...hee hee.

When the Irish came they were despised.

When the Italians came they were despised.

None of those minority groups were subject to lynchings, to being owned property, or to be subject to laws designed to deny them education or jobs or housing. Consider slavery ended after the civil war ended, 1865. But black people were routinely denied rights and were subject to extreme segregation for another 100 years.
Yes the Irish and the Italians were despised. How did that 'white privilege' work out for them? It did not. My Italian grandparents had trouble buying a house and had to go through a humiliating neighborhood vetting to be allowed to buy a house. But yea, all that "privileged", right?

You want to pick and choose which from of discrimination, privilege, etc. is wrong, as though only some of it is wrong. It is all wrong.
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What right is denied to black students by colleges/universities these days?

What privilege is denied to black students by colleges/universities these days?
None. There are none being denied to either white people or black people today.
So if no rights and/or privileges are being denied to whites or blacks today, what is the issue?
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