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So, what institution is oppressing black people in america? Here is a list of grants and scholarships available to black people. My demographic is the only one specifically excluded: white male.
I'm sure you're familiar with the studies that send the same resume with an Anglo name and one with an obvious minority name...

But, after 32 years in corporate America what I've seen is even worse. One of the places wifey worked was a highly respected place for minorities. They went out of the way to celebrate diversity by hiring minority employees.

Almost.

Minority employment became a revolving door of hiring, no support, no mentoring, no development, and one bad performance review and you're out kind of place. Once wifey found a box of printed emails in a box while moving offices. Ahoy and behold, she caught two names in the top printout.

One was a current supervisor, one was an employee with a unique name. She remembered both. Google revealed the mother of all discrimination lawsuits that was eventually settled and almost reached class action status.

That's how it is. There's also non-old worker privilege, Asian privilege, and so on.

Some places aren't like that. But lots are. How are blacks impacted? Start with schools. My kids lined up some impressive scholarship packages because they went to an awesome public school system (hi Betsy). If they were minorities and couldn't afford it they were hosed.

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I'm sure you're familiar with the studies that send the same resume with an Anglo name and one with an obvious minority name...

But, after 32 years in corporate America what I've seen is even worse. One of the places wifey worked was a highly respected place for minorities. They went out of the way to celebrate diversity by hiring minority employees.

Almost.

Minority employment became a revolving door of hiring, no support, no mentoring, no development, and one bad performance review and you're out kind of place. Once wifey found a box of printed emails in a box while moving offices. Ahoy and behold, she caught two names in the top printout.

One was a current supervisor, one was an employee with a unique name. She remembered both. Google revealed the mother of all discrimination lawsuits that was eventually settled and almost reached class action status.

That's how it is. There's also non-old worker privilege, Asian privilege, and so on.

Some places aren't like that. But lots are. How are blacks impacted? Start with schools. My kids lined up some impressive scholarship packages because they went to an awesome public school system (hi Betsy). If they were minorities and couldn't afford it they were hosed.
This begs the question... is this institutional oppression or racism?

My fourth grade elementary school teacher was an amazing woman, black as could be. She was killed by a drunk driver, the sheriff's brother. He didn't spend a second in jail until several years later when people brought up the perversion of justice.

Was that institutional racism? The sheriff ended up losing his job and his brother spent some time in jail for manslaughter.

Of course racism exists. I don't doubt that. But is it institutional?

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In many places it is institutional and that's the problem...
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So, nothing?

Note I never said that there is no racism. I stated that Institutional Racismô does not exist in the US.

Institutional Racismô is the idea that Racism is practiced by our institutions. That Racism is in fact an Institution of society. It is a lie.

I defy anyone to demonstrate otherwise.
One could actually readily argue that reverse racism exists in many institutions (which is actually racism). In things like college admissions and financial aid, for example.

I get that there are racists out there and that racism exists. But using the term white privilege is not effective. Pointing out racism and associated wrongs due to racist behavior actually may cause more people to give a hoot.
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The level of ignorance required to state that the Revolutionary War was fought for the benefit of rich white men is astonishing.
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Lots to reply to... I think these are good discussions though so thanks for participating!


@blueinbr

It's a negative circle because we keep using different examples to say the same thing. We are going no where. Which is why I reposted my examples of white privilege.

@UMP

The example of JFK jr or Barron Trump is perfect. No, they can never stop being privileged. They can never not be privileged. But they are always expected to acknowledge their privileged upbringing and the advantages they had and have as a result. I know lots of people who were born with a silver spoon and nearly every single one readily admits their privileged upbringing. And they would correct anyone who denied that they had a privileged upbringing. See what I'm saying now?

@Yeswecan

As I've said a few times in this thread, we acknowledge it exists because it brings awareness and compassion to ourselves and that's always a good thing, don't you agree? The purpose of acknowledging it exists is to demonstrate awareness. Not allowing others to deny it means we challenge them to think how their white experience may be the same or different than the black experience.

@Mr. Nail

No, we are not the thought police. Why do you suppose you rarely hear a "nigger joke" anymore? Because we've been challenged to think how inappropriate they are, because we've learned better, because we now would stop anyone attempting to tell us one. I suppose in some circles they still tell them, but I haven't heard one since the mid 80's. You may call that thought police, I call it progress!

@Yeswecan

Wrt how we define the white race and who gets to claim not to be white...I can't answer that. But I call your attention to the important word I used a few times, preponderance. It's an important word in this context because I don't know that we can ever make any hard and fast rules about who is or who isn't.


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Has the white race ever had to fight for the right not to be owned? How about the right to not be lynched? That's what I was referring to. I'm well acquainted with the American Revolution.

@UMP

Your experiment kind of proves my point. You were profiled and treated differently as a result. Yes you were still white and maybe that's why they didn't shoot you on site? <- kidding on the last part there.

@Yeswecan

Thank you! I'm not attempting to shame our race of Caucasians. I am white and I don't feel ashamed. I was raised with financial privilege and I acknowledge that but don't feel guilty because of it.

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Wrt black students getting free room and board... I just don't have an answer for that. I heard that Johns Hopkins University has promised free room and board to any Baltimore city public school grad who is admitted. I do not know how many students have taken advantage of that.

These are sticky issues because how is it fair that black urban poor get free tuition but white urban poor don't. I don't have the answers on how to make everything fair for everyone. But as @john117 points out, the bulk of the economic power in this country is owned and operated by white people and maybe the free tuition is a way to make that statistic more balanced.


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@Buddy400

You're example post 331 is like the difference between psychology and sociology. Besides, guys with big schlongs don't get perks until they've dropped their drawers and proven it so that would be a meritocratic example.

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Post 335: lol!

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Why obscure the message in a way seemingly designed to repel the people you want to convince?
I don't have the answer but that is a great question!

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I don't know why shame keeps being brought up I just don't get it. Can you tell me why you feel like you're being shamed? As I've said, I'm white and I don't feel ashamed acknowledging white privilege, I feel like it's my responsibility. I was raised with financial privilege, I acknowledge that and don't feel shamed or even guilty. So how come you guys feel like you're being shamed? Are you both catholic or something?

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Originally it as stated whites never fought for liberty and freedom. They have. Does not make a hill of beans who for.
I misspoke. I was thinking liberty to not be owned...an even more basic kind of Liberty than no taxation without representation kind of Liberty.

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Again, you're discussing your personal struggles and how you don't get any subsidies or breaks because you're not a black woman. Please go back to my list of examples of white privilege.

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The revolutionary war was started by rich white men and they had to change their talking points to get the common man to sign on. Wasn't it Ben Franklin who wondered if their ought to be some kind of degree or test a citizen must pass in order to vote democratically? I know one of the founding fathers had serious doubts about including the common man, not a single one of them thought about including the common woman, and blacks and Native Americans were still being owned or killed outright for their land.

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So you guys have a big problem with the term being used "white privilege" is just not something you can get behind even if you can get behind the general concept. Let me ask you this, have you ever heard someone say "I've had the privilege of growing up with both parents." Or "I've been blessed (privileged) because my parents were pretty wealthy." Or "I was lucky enough to be raised in a trilingual house so I grew up knowing those languages." Blessed, lucky both words mean essentially the same thing as privilege and not one of those examples call for the speaker to express guilt or shame due to their privilege.

Get rid of the shame because that has no bearing on what we're discussing.

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The phrase "white privilege" seems to be designed as an attack. It is saying that I have something that I do not deserve to have. It says I am a spoiled brat who was given all sorts of unfair advantages. It says that there is something wrong with my life, and by implication that my life should change.

My feeling is that there is something wrong with how some minorities are being treated. I believe that they are being denied opportunities that I have had, and that everyone should have. I believe that their treatment should change.

The only time I have heard someone described as "privileged" it was as in insult to say that they did not deserve what they had. It is a term applied to spoiled brats and as such is insulting. It is an attempt to shame that instead causes anger.


Describing oneself as "lucky" or "fortunate" does not have the same connotation. There is no implication that the benefits of "luck" should be taken away.

That deals with the "privilege" part. The "white" part is also a problem because as I've mentioned before, at least where I live, east Asians and South Asians are doing roughly as well as whites. African Americans still face serious bias - and that should change.

Imagine being called a "little princess". If you are older than 5, its insulting.

What I'm discussing is the word choice. I agree with the general message, but the word choice is driving people away from an otherwise valid cause.

Similarly "black lives matter" was not nearly as good a rallying cry as "all lives matter" - which if it had been used first by people trying to stop police shootings would have been much more effective. With "black lives matter", now the movement has been maneuvered into the position of opposing the term "all lives matter" because it was co-opted by the other side.


"end oppression" is a much better rallying cry than "recognize your privilege". Who can argue with wanting to end oppression?




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@uhtred and @Yeswecan

I don't know why shame keeps being brought up I just don't get it. Can you tell me why you feel like you're being shamed? As I've said, I'm white and I don't feel ashamed acknowledging white privilege, I feel like it's my responsibility. I was raised with financial privilege, I acknowledge that and don't feel shamed or even guilty. So how come you guys feel like you're being shamed? Are you both catholic or something?

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I misspoke. I was thinking liberty to not be owned...an even more basic kind of Liberty than no taxation without representation kind of Liberty.

@As'laDain

Again, you're discussing your personal struggles and how you don't get any subsidies or breaks because you're not a black woman. Please go back to my list of examples of white privilege.


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So you guys have a big problem with the term being used "white privilege" is just not something you can get behind even if you can get behind the general concept. Let me ask you this, have you ever heard someone say "I've had the privilege of growing up with both parents." Or "I've been blessed (privileged) because my parents were pretty wealthy." Or "I was lucky enough to be raised in a trilingual house so I grew up knowing those languages." Blessed, lucky both words mean essentially the same thing as privilege and not one of those examples call for the speaker to express guilt or shame due to their privilege.

Get rid of the shame because that has no bearing on what we're discussing.
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Has the white race ever had to fight for the right not to be owned? How about the right to not be lynched? That's what I was referring to. I'm well acquainted with the American Revolution.
You are suggesting here that the "black race" had to right for the right not to be owned.

That's a bit of a strange question because since the dawn of time only a small percentage of the black race has been slaves. So the black race as a whole has not had to fight for the right not to be owned.

Now in the USA a portion of the blacks in the USA were slaves. However, from almost the very start of the USA there have been a good number of 'free blacks as well'. There was no law that said at all black people in the USA were slaves.

Humans have enslaved other humans since the dawn of history. People of all races have been slaves, this includes as many whites slaves as black salves.

Ancient civilizations like the Romans and Greeks has a lot of slaves, many if not most of own were white people.

Just a few examples of white slavery:

1400's - early 1900's Muslims from North Africa were constantly raiding coastal areas of Europe taking slaves. The records that still exist today in places like Tunisia list over 125 MILLION white Europeans stolen from Europe and sold in the North African slave market.

For centuries, the Ottoman empire took slaves from Russia and the Slovic regions and sold them in Turkey, Iran and other such places. Slavery was not officially abolished in Iran until February 7, 1929, under Reza Shah Pahlavi.

Al-Andalus 8th century - until the Reconquista in the late 15th century - White Christians were held a slaves, taken from the Christian parts of the Iberian Peninsula and Eastern & Western Europe.

I could give a longer trip through the history of slavery of the 'white' race. But I think this is enough to show that 'blacks' are hardly the only race that has had a struggle with some of it's people being enslaved.

I am not sure why so many people dismiss the fact that hundreds of millions of white Europeans have been enslaved by the North African and Arabs since about the mid 700's to the early 1900's.

So yea, apparently a lot of white people had no right to be free either.

Slavery was a common practice world wide until the late 1850's. And it remained legal is a large part of the world until the middle of the 1900's. It's still practiced in just about all of Africa as the governments seldom interfere with the slave trade. As I stated earlier, I saw the slave trade in East Africa with my own eyes.
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I don't know why shame keeps being brought up I just don't get it. Can you tell me why you feel like you're being shamed? As I've said, I'm white and I don't feel ashamed acknowledging white privilege, I feel like it's my responsibility. I was raised with financial privilege, I acknowledge that and don't feel shamed or even guilty. So how come you guys feel like you're being shamed? Are you both catholic or something?
Could you clarify? What do you think is your responsibility?

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@EleGirl Wrt black students getting free room and board... I just don't have an answer for that.
The UW demand from the black student group was not only for free room and board. It was for 100% free college for all black people regardless of academic performance, family financial situation, etc.

There are already all kinds of grants, scholarships and other programs to provide funding for blacks and other minorities who attend college. Keep in mind that the this is over and above the ‘normal’ financial aid grants, student loans and scholarships available for all students. So.. there is already more money out there for non-white students then there is for blacks and other minorities.

An important question to ask is why is it that the rate of blacks entering college is so low when blacks have more financial aid available to them than whites, when universities have quotas in which they try to keep the level of black/minority students up to at least the percentage they are in the population. Why are blacks self-selecting to not attend college/university?

When my ex was in med school, he had to pay every dine of his tuition, fees and living expenses. He has a Hispanic classmate who had 100% coverage for all of that… to include a stipend for spending. His Hispanic guy is the son of a Neuro Surgeon. He’s from a filthy rich family. He got a free ride. My husband could not get a penny because he’s “white”. He came from a dirt poor family that immigrated to the USA legally with the clothing on their backs. He’s a first generation American. His family could easily pass for Middle Eastern because of complexion, etc. But he is considered “white” because of his Italian last name. So he could not get a dime.

My son is adopted. He’s half Mexican and half Irish. He looks “white”: 6’4”, med brown hair, blue eyes and light skin. If he uses his legal last name, which is very Italian. If he would just use the name of his birth mother, or at least claim his 50% Mexican background, he could get a free ride through college.

IMHO, it’s ridiculous to give financial aid to a person based on race alone. There are actually a lot of black people who earn more than the average white person. Those black parents should have to pay for their child’s college education just like I had to pay for my son’s education. Now poor white and black people should of course take advantage of the financial aid that is available and race should not be part of that equation. They should be treated equally.

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I heard that Johns Hopkins University has promised free room and board to any Baltimore city public school grad who is admitted. I do not know how many students have taken advantage of that.
I looked this up. John Hopkins has a policy of meeting the financial need of students based on the student’s FAFSA application and the determined financial need. That means that if the student’s parents are expected to pay whatever FAFSA determines they should pay. After that the university says that they will work with the student to get the remaining funds for their education using a mix of Pell Grants, student loans, scholarships and other sources of money.

Now John Hopkins does have what they call the Baltimore Scholars Program. It’s a scholarship offered to students from Baltimore schools who are high scholastic achievers.

I could not find anything like what you are saying: that JH is offering free room and board to all Baltimore students.

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1These are sticky issues because how is it fair that black urban poor get free tuition but white urban poor don't. I don't have the answers on how to make everything fair for everyone.
That’s right. It’s not fair. And its anti-equal treatment under the law.

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But as @john117 points out, the bulk of the economic power in this country is owned and operated by white people and maybe the free tuition is a way to make that statistic more balanced.
Of course the bulk of the economic power in this country is held/operated by white people. White people make up the majority of this country.

Further, the bulk of the economic power in this country is held/operated by the top 5% of the population.

Our country is about 12% black (in population). Even if 12% of college educated people in the USA were black, the bulk of college educated people in the USA would be white because whites are the majority.

Even if 12% of those who controlled the economics and/or were super wealthy people in the USA were black, the bulk of the super wealthy would be white because whites are the majority.

What we need to be asking ourselves is why is it that such a small percentage of blacks decided to go to college when just about any black person can get a lot of their education covered by the grants and scholarships that already exist? Why do so few go when they have equal rights in entering college? That is where the attention needs to be, figuring this out and putting the effort into getting young blacks to even want to go to college.

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I'm sure you're familiar with the studies that send the same resume with an Anglo name and one with an obvious minority name...

But, after 32 years in corporate America what I've seen is even worse. One of the places wifey worked was a highly respected place for minorities. They went out of the way to celebrate diversity by hiring minority employees.

Almost.

Minority employment became a revolving door of hiring, no support, no mentoring, no development, and one bad performance review and you're out kind of place. Once wifey found a box of printed emails in a box while moving offices. Ahoy and behold, she caught two names in the top printout.

One was a current supervisor, one was an employee with a unique name. She remembered both. Google revealed the mother of all discrimination lawsuits that was eventually settled and almost reached class action status.

That's how it is. There's also non-old worker privilege, Asian privilege, and so on.

Some places aren't like that. But lots are. How are blacks impacted? Start with schools. My kids lined up some impressive scholarship packages because they went to an awesome public school system (hi Betsy). If they were minorities and couldn't afford it they were hosed.
White students who could not afford it would be hosed too.

Plus there are more funds for scholarships and grants available to blacks and other minorities than there at for 'white' students. So no, the school would probably be able to find the funds for a minority student over and above what could be found for a 'white' student. Plus a minority student could also apply for grants/scholarships that are only available to people of their race and/or ethnicity.
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The financial picture for your average white family is quite a bit better, much better actually, than for the average black or URM family. Without scholarship funds targeted to URM's you can guess what happens next.
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This concept of white privilege is deranged and dangerous.

"White people haven't had to fight for the privilege of not being owned." Uhm, I guess you haven't heard about the Generalplan Ost, have you? Sad that so many of you are so ignorant of relatively recent history. Hitler's plan to eradicate the educated classes of the Slavic people of central and eastern Europe and to keep the rest of them as slave/serfs to work the land and produce food for the Third Reich is an example of what some of you deny. Your progressive posturing is insulting and immoral.

What about all the white victims of communism? Decades of murder, abuse, starvation and domination? - but, yeah, according to the virtuous ones on this thread, all those Slavic whiteys are privileged. Hell, my grandfathers, who as young men were forced to face evil and fight the Nazi's, who lost their ancestral homes and who then had to spend 10 years in refugee and then displaced persons camps were just dripping in privilege, according to the arm chair experts on this thread. Well, guess what, they didn't fight to survive all that so that the self loathing white progressives here could whine about bull ****.

And, as I said, this type of thinking is not only degenerate, but it is also dangerous. This type of vacuous identity politics has real world consequences for the poor and disadvantaged. How did white privilege protect the thousands of young white girls (children) who were the victims of the Muslim rape gangs and the oh so anti-racist/politically correct authorities in Rotherham?

But who gives a **** about white children being raped? As long as the progressives amongst us can virtue signal their moral superiority to us, all is good in their world.

Well, any clown who believes that president Obama's children are less privileged than some poor white kid growing up in a trailer park with a single parent is paving the way for more Trump. And I think that you are getting everything that you deserve.
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The above is laughable.

Slavery in America was business as usual. WW 2 forced labor was, well, war, and the Soviet era was hardly slavery as many people preferred the Soviet system for ideology or other reasons.

If you have a hard time telling the two apart we have a long time to go in this country...
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