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But why don't I feel ashamed about any of it? Why do I only feel compassion about it? I'm white, I've experienced white privilege all my life (which doesn't mean I've been handed a silver spoon), I'm not a racist though I know lots of them. I don't feel guilt on behalf of my ancestors. Instead I feel sadness at the ignorance and brutality that was behind all of the issues of the past (slavery, etc). I feel it was a tragedy, but I do not feel connected to the source of any of it. And I'm about the same as you. I have a Korean sister and nephew. I lived with my black college room mate for 5 years. I have seen first hand what they have endured do to skin color or look of their eyes. I have slapped a few around to a bloody mess when they decided to call my sister a "chink". I don't stand for that crap. I understand and do what I can to be all I can be when working/associating with all races and religions. However it is a bit disheartening when a broad brush of white privilege is used encompassing all. For me, the term "white privilege" is another form of saying racist.

Yet I am still aware of my privileges (and I have more than just white privilege) and I can see where others are disadvantaged in areas I am not, but I don't feel ashamed or guilty for my privilege nor envious of the privileges of others. I do not feel there is a body of shame police out to get me to make me "pay" for my white privilege. I just see the need to understand that there is an issue in the world that impedes true equality. I don't feel responsible for this issue, but I do feel responsible for my own need to understand where I fit into it. In order for me to help equality spread among more and more of humanity as a whole, it is necessary for me to see where and how equality is being denied to some. That's all it is about. Agreed.
And to be sure, I don't feel shame about it, however, I feel that it something that looks to shame/guilt.


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Are progressives really willing to risk losing abortion rights, healthcare, and programs to help the disadvantaged for the fun of calling people "Privileged"?
Looks like it.

Progressives seem to be more interested in virtue signalling than in actual accomplishments.
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Re: White Pins For White Privilege

According to the dictionary, privilege is a special advantage available to a particular group of people.

Is being white an advantage in many ways?

Yes

What's the point? What good does harping on this point do for those who do not have privilege?

Let say my kid has an IQ of 100 (and no, there's really not much you can do to change it).

He's getting a C in his Algebra class. Some people (those with "smart privilege") get A's and it seems like many of them don't even study.

Do I have the smart kids wear "smart privilege" buttons so that my kid feels better?

Do I want the other kids to understand that they get A's only because they are privileged and that my kid can't be expected to get an A since he doesn't share that privilege?

How about the kids that are smart and work hard? Should they be made to understand that getting an A isn't really all that much of an achievement?

Do I tell my kid that it's okay for him to get C's because he's not smart like other people?

Or do I tell him that, even though it's harder for him to get A's in algebra than some, if he works enough, he too can get A's in Algebra.
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We are not talking a numbers game. But we can talk areas of the country were people congregate and live based on their race. Business' are generally owned by the same race within that community. Within these communities, does any of this privilege not exist? No profiling when walking into a store. No one clutches their wallet or purse tighter in their own neighborhood? Everyone has a shot getting the job opening down the street at the 5 and Dime? Perhaps this is the very reason communities of the same race are found throughout the US?
So... Segregation is the answer? Is that what it's going to be?

It's great if the residents of such racial utopias never come outside their enclaves and nobody wanders in. Otherwise?
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That is not what I said, or even implied.

What I am saying is that all of us have different advantages or disadvantages.

To latch on to one (white) and pretend it is the only one worth considering is disengenous.

To attempt to control the dialogue using those means is nefarious.
No one "latched" onto one, Ellis posted this thread about specifically white privilege (not saying he supports the concept, just that this is what the article was about). There were no other types of privilege discussed in the article. So why would we bring up other types of privilege now?

I could talk about the female privileges I enjoy. If you'd like me to do so, I'll open another thread.

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So... Segregation is the answer? Is that what it's going to be?

It's great if the residents of such racial utopias never come outside their enclaves and nobody wanders in. Otherwise?
Segregation is/was never the answer. However, groups of similar race tend to segregate themselves. Certainly, today, residents go outside their neighborhood to others for goods and services. There are some that simply will not be a patron of a black/white owned business no matter where the business is located.

Whatever the case, resolving the differences and truly becoming a one America is a very very long road. It may be a road that will have not end. Divisive talk, as another forum member stated, is not helpful.

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@Yeswecan said: "For me, the term "white privilege" is another form of saying racist."

Right, but that is not what the term means. It really has a meaning and it is not open to interpretation or opinion. If you or anyone want to feel insulted "as if" it is another form of saying racist, then to me that just shows you don't actually know what the term means. I am not trying to be snarky though I realize the words sound like I am, I apologize for that. I don't know how else to convey what I'm trying to say. The term means something specific. It does not mean "white people are racists".

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Is being white an advantage in many ways?

Yes

What's the point? What good does harping on this point do for those who do not have privilege?
Its funny, but my mother was able to explain these concepts to me without "harping" on them. Seems "harping" is just a dismissive way of saying "I don't want to hear this because it is uncomfortable".

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Yes, and it drives me nuts. Many of the things progressives want at things that I strongly support, but it just feels like they are going about obtaining their goals the wrong way.

I have a good friend who was a gay activist starting in the early 80s. I've watched the incredible success of that movement. Whether or not they agree with the movement's goals , I think anyone has to agree that it has been successful in just a generation in changing public opinion and laws about homosexuality.

To me the key was that they were inclusive. I remember walking with my wife on the way to the opera through the area of a gay pride parade in a local city. We were dressed, up, the perfect image of the old white straight conservative couple. Someone offered a gay pride sticker and I took it and wore it. No one accused me of oppression, or of my "straight privilege". I wasn't questioned about my views on gay marriage. No on commented on my clothes. People simply smiled and waved when they saw me.


Gay rights groups have shown what works, but progressives are not following that pattern. Instead they want to verify that I meet their "standards" before I'm considered acceptable.

The progressives were defeated by what was all around a pretty weak candidate. If they don't change their behavior they will get completely clobbered in the next election.




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Looks like it.

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No one "latched" onto one, Ellis posted this thread about specifically white privilege (not saying he supports the concept, just that this is what the article was about). There were no other types of privilege discussed in the article. So why would we bring up other types of privilege now?

I could talk about the female privileges I enjoy. If you'd like me to do so, I'll open another thread.
That may be the point, the article targets white privilege only. In short, ignores there are privileges afforded everyone. Some better than others. Some privileges are not recognized(as the article and members here point out), it just happens and a way of life. And a overture of shaming.


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That may be the point, the article targets white privilege only. In short, ignores there are privileges afforded everyone. Some better than others. Some privileges are not recognized(as the article and members here point out), it just happens and a way of life. And a overture of shaming.
But the article was about white privilege, not about other types of privilege.

There are plenty of articles about intersectionality, which is the intersection of different types of privilege.

It is like you are reading an article about the moon, and then asking "why don't they talk about Mars and Jupiter in this article, too?"

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No one "latched" onto one, Ellis posted this thread about specifically white privilege (not saying he supports the concept, just that this is what the article was about). There were no other types of privilege discussed in the article. So why would we bring up other types of privilege now?

I could talk about the female privileges I enjoy. If you'd like me to do so, I'll open another thread.
As the OP, I will gladly open up the discussion to all "privilege" , big or small
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@Yeswecan said: "For me, the term "white privilege" is another form of saying racist."

Right, but that is not what the term means. It really has a meaning and it is not open to interpretation or opinion. If you or anyone want to feel insulted "as if" it is another form of saying racist, then to me that just shows you don't actually know what the term means. I am not trying to be snarky though I realize the words sound like I am, I apologize for that. I don't know how else to convey what I'm trying to say. The term means something specific. It does not mean "white people are racists".
What it means and implies are two different things. It is not open to interpretation or opinion? Then why the heck bring it up? You are simply stated all whites have it. NO sense talking about it and that is that. Reading through Anon Pinks examples you will recognize many of these privileges are racial motivated and racial bias. Cops pulling over a black in a white neighborhood is racial profiling. All white gentlemen's clubs are what? Racially based for not allow blacks. These are the examples being fed to me by Anon Pink. Is she saying I'm privileged that I can join an all white club?

Yes, there are daily things whites do not experience that blacks do. White experience some things blacks do not. However, not as debasing or demeaning but none the less, whites do not live under a shining star and everything goes their way.

Yes, the terms are specific. White(people of a race) privilege(getting something they do not deserve or do because of their skin color). They should be ashamed.

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To me the key was that they were inclusive. I remember walking with my wife on the way to the opera through the area of a gay pride parade in a local city. We were dressed, up, the perfect image of the old white straight conservative couple. Someone offered a gay pride sticker and I took it and wore it. No one accused me of oppression, or of my "straight privilege". I wasn't questioned about my views on gay marriage. No on commented on my clothes. People simply smiled and waved when they saw me.
A pride event is a joyous event of all inclusion. Everyone is welcome. Why on earth would they "comment on your clothes" at a gay pride event? People smile and wave at everyone at a gay pride event.

If you think that gay people don't talk openly in other situations about straight privilege, then you really don't hang around with gay people enough to speak about this.

Again, try staying on topic. I know it is uncomfortable and you don't want to hear that white privilege exists. But if you would realize you don't need to feel defensive about being white and that no one is saying you are a racist, maybe that will make it easier.

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What it means and implies are two different things. It is not open to interpretation or opinion? Then why the heck bring it up? You are simply stated all whites have it. NO sense talking about it and that is that. Reading through Anon Pinks examples you will recognize many of these privileges are racial motivated and racial bias. Cops pulling over a black in a white neighborhood is racial profiling. All white gentlemen's clubs are what? Racially based for not allow blacks. These are the examples being fed to me by Anon Pink. Is she saying I'm privileged that I can join an all white club?

Yes, there are daily things whites do not experience that blacks do. White experience some things blacks do not. However, not as debasing or demeaning but none the less, whites do not live under a shining star and everything goes their way.

Yes, the terms are specific. White(people of a race) privilege(getting something they do not deserve or do because of their skin color). They should be ashamed.
When you keep saying things like the bolded, it makes it obvious that you don't understand the term or the concept behind it.

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