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post #16 of 97 (permalink) Old 02-16-2017, 08:10 PM
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I too doubt that a significant number of votes were cast illegally.

However, I can't figure out why anyone would object to finding out for sure.
I assume you aren't being serious when you say that. It's completely obvious why some people would object.


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We go out of our way to make voting painful.

All it takes is one lousy voter ID card issued at the same time you get a driver's license. Make exceptions for older folk - it's not like 80 year olds commit voting fraud.

This year we voted early. Still took 1 1/2 hours. People were taking selfies with the voting official. Both my girls got absentee ballots. One was a freaking scantron form... The other (overseas) a fillable PDF.
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We go out of our way to make voting painful.

All it takes is one lousy voter ID card issued at the same time you get a driver's license. Make exceptions for older folk - it's not like 80 year olds commit voting fraud.

This year we voted early. Still took 1 1/2 hours. People were taking selfies with the voting official. Both my girls got absentee ballots. One was a freaking scantron form... The other (overseas) a fillable PDF.
I don't think we make it hard to vote. I registered 17 years ago. I show up to vote. It takes me less than an hour to drive to the poll, vote and go home.
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I don't think we make it hard to vote. I registered 17 years ago. I show up to vote. It takes me less than an hour to drive to the poll, vote and go home.
Lucky you. I'm walking distance to my precinct and it's a struggle to even find parking if you drive. Then 1 1/2 hours minimum wait until the same form is filled on paper, checked 3 times, etc.

Every ballot is 4-5 pages so voters really take their sweet time too.
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The problem is that US election turnout is low and elections are often won by very small margins. Even small difficulty, or assistance can make a big difference.

Since there are statistics to show how the affected people would vote, the issue is automatically political, each option directly benefits one party or the other.

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I'm a little back and forth on this. Needing a state ID to vote doesn't seem to be more of a burden than needing a state ID to purchase alcohol or cigarettes (and I'm sure that some poor people do that).

Then I realize that, while I've seen middle-age women without ID not allowed to buy wine at my suburban grocery store, in poor neighborhoods they're not likely to be carding as aggressively.

But then again, unless the only place to get a free state ID is in a remote area and open only on Tuesdays from 1 to 1:15, I just can't see it as that much of a hardship.
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Lucky you. I'm walking distance to my precinct and it's a struggle to even find parking if you drive. Then 1 1/2 hours minimum wait until the same form is filled on paper, checked 3 times, etc.

Every ballot is 4-5 pages so voters really take their sweet time too.
I'm fortunate in that I live close enough to walk to mine, and work close enough to drive to it during lunch. It's a nightmare if I go early or late in the day, but lunch has worked great for me (I understand a lot of people can't make it during their lunch). I don't know where you live, and how big your precinct is, but you might try going at a different time?

I'd say you guys have way too many government measures going on, or you're using some big font, if you've got more than 2 pages to fill out.

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The operative word is *and voting*.... 15 states have automatic voter registration. Not too difficult to check fir actual voting.
Actually, no, Ele is correct. It is illegal to register. The penalties are minor in many states. Fines of like $250 or at the very most, 1 1/2 years in prison. No one will ever see that, I bet.

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Actually, no, Ele is correct. It is illegal to register. The penalties are minor in many states. Fines of like $250 or at the very most, 1 1/2 years in prison. No one will ever see that, I bet.
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Motor voter has made it too easy to fast forward the process. Individuals have to be crazy to register and/or vote intentionally for party line purposes.

A few places allow green carders to vote in local elections..
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Frankly my BIGGER concern is the 150 million idiots still allowed to vote. We got trump, right. Why sweat the small stuff when morons are allowed to punch the ticket


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Frankly my BIGGER concern is the 150 million idiots still allowed to vote. We got trump, right. Why sweat the small stuff when morons are allowed to punch the ticket


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Frankly my BIGGER concern is the 150 million idiots still allowed to vote. We got trump, right. Why sweat the small stuff when morons are allowed to punch the ticket


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Why do you think it is small stuff to find that it is simple to break the law and the consequences are small?

Why do citizens of other countries have the rights that you and your family have paid for, yet you deny your own legal exclusivity? You are a citizen of the United States?

Because, if you are not, you have no say in what is done here in the United States. Your opinion does not matter.

Why would you allow, for example, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Genghis Khan or Mao Zedong to have the privilege of choosing a representative of their own ideas through their vote? That's what could possibly happen, if foreigners are allowed to vote. We have enough of our own evil. We don't need or want foreigners making those choices for us. They have a say in their own country. They just usually can't or won't do anything to improve their country, so they want to tell us what to do. I say, go vote at home. Don't come here and vote, you don't have a good track record in your country.

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Only half of legally registered voters actually vote in most elections. What would be motivating people to break the law to vote? They are taking a significant risk of being caught and their individual chances of changing the election are tiny. If there was some organized drive I could understand it, but I just don't see the motivation for individuals.

It seems much more likely that it is people being auto-registered when they apply (maybe illegally) for drivers licenses, and some percentage of people who don't know its illegal.

There was the woman in Texas who voted illegally - she thought green card holders could vote. She got 8 years - which seems an outrageous injustice for what was illegal, but without intent to commit a crime, and where the harm was so minimal. BTW - she voted republican.....
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I always try to early vote. It takes all of 5 minutes to get to the courthouse where I live. Less than 10 minutes at the polls usually, and I'm back home in less than a half hour.

By the way, I'm neither a Republican, nor a Demoncrat. I am a conservative, and I have never actually seen a true conservative to vote for in my lifetime. The two-party system is a dupe, and neither party feels the need to actually represent the people. Both parties are way too far to the left for my tastes.
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Why do you think it is small stuff to find that it is simple to break the law and the consequences are small?



Why do citizens of other countries have the rights that you and your family have paid for, yet you deny your own legal exclusivity? You are a citizen of the United States?



Because, if you are not, you have no say in what is done here in the United States. Your opinion does not matter.



Why would you allow, for example, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Genghis Khan or Mao Zedong to have the privilege of choosing a representative of their own ideas through their vote? That's what could possibly happen, if foreigners are allowed to vote. We have enough of our own evil. We don't need or want foreigners making those choices for us. They have a say in their own country. They just usually can't or won't do anything to improve their country, so they want to tell us what to do. I say, go vote at home. Don't come here and vote, you don't have a good track record in your country.


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The deal is....there are illegals on the voting rolls. Voted or not is immaterial. These are illegal voters. These folks need to be removed from the rolls.

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