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post #76 of 97 (permalink) Old 02-23-2017, 03:35 PM
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Re: Nearly 2 million non-citizen Hispanics illegally registered to vote

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I agree with you, but don't you also realize once they are registered, all they have to do is go to the polling place and have them find their name in the book and then sign? Once that is done and the signature matches, they can place a vote.

So, even though it is illegal, most votes would not even make a tiny little blip on the radar screen. As far as not speaking English, that's no big deal. Many foreigners who just came here and became citizens from Europe weren't able to speak English. It wasn't a big deal and still isn't. For them it could be disastrous, if they aren't careful.

Don't you guys understand what I've been trying to say? The issue needs stopped at registration, or it will never be stopped. Because, technically, if a person is registered, they are considered legal voters.

That's why uhtred keeps talking in terms of illegal votes, not illegal registrants. Get it? Understand?
This is correct.

Still, there need to be safeguards at every level.

You don't secure a network by taking down your firewalls and relying solely on endpoint security, and the reverse is true as well.

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How exactly does an illegal immigrant register to vote? I know quite a few illegals, I don't know that they can access voter registration.

Not to mention, the last thing they would want to do is put themselves at risk of being found out and getting deported.

Edited to add: I see someone said via drivers license. Is this a fact? I just asked one who got a license close to 2 years ago. Never got any sort of indication of being registered to vote.

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Re: Nearly 2 million non-citizen Hispanics illegally registered to vote

As far as anyone can tell, yes it is a fact.


Of course they wouldn't tell you if they were registered to vote automatically. That would be illegal. Though, if they voted, it would not be noticed.

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Here, you are asked when you get a drivers license if you'd like to register to vote. Period.

It must be hard to investigate anyway. Because if non-citizens register to vote, via accident or ignorance or on purpose... they are listed as registered voters, not as illegal voters. There is no red flag after they are registered.

And don't you think that MANY of them, once given the registration, would be glad to be able to vote for the party that benefits them the most? Why wouldn't they? Illegal immigration issues are pretty serious right now. From what I can see in various news sources, Hispanic votes were specifically being solicited.... and I'd think that illegal immigrants who "somehow" were registered to vote, would vote.
Seriously, do you know any illegal immigrants? These people have zero interest in taking any risk of being found out. It may seem logical that they would want to vote considering immigration issues but this is not generally the case. Again the risk of being deported is too great.

I don't think people are really taking into consideration that the majority of immigrants are terrified of being found out. They appreciate being away from their home countries too much to take any risks.

The ones I worked with didnt even want to take the risk of going to the hospital when they were sick. Most of them didn't have bank accounts because they were too paranoid to risk dealing with the banks.

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As far as anyone can tell, yes it is a fact.


Of course they wouldn't tell you if they were registered to vote automatically. That would be illegal. Though, if they voted, it would not be noticed.
That's ridiculous. I've known them for years, worked with them. If I wanted to rat them out, I would've done so then. They have no reason to lie just to avoid proving your point.
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How exactly does an illegal immigrant register to vote? I know quite a few illegals, I don't know that they can access voter registration.

Not to mention, the last thing they would want to do is put themselves at risk of being found out and getting deported.

Edited to add: I see someone said via drivers license. Is this a fact? I just asked one who got a license close to 2 years ago. Never got any sort of indication of being registered to vote.
Not sure how an illegal alien would either register to vote or vote. Additionally, I've not heard of any cases where that's happened.

There has, however, been at least one case of a legal, non-citizen resident both registering to vote and voting.

Not sure how the DL/voter registration process is handled in other states but in Texas you get the option to register while renewing your DL (at least if you do it at the DMV). I opted for this when renewing my DL back in 2008 but, for whatever reason, I wasn't registered. I was pretty pissed when I went to vote and was told that I hadn't registered.

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That's ridiculous. I've known them for years, worked with them. If I wanted to rat them out, I would've done so then. They have no reason to lie just to avoid proving your point.
What's ridiculous?

I don't even understand why you are talking about ratting anyone out. Who is talking about you ratting anyone out? Why is it wrong to abide by the law?

I never said they would lie to prove my point.

What the hell are you talking about?

You make absolutely no sense at all! I don't even know where you got this stuff you posted?! Are you on drugs or drunk?!

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Re: Nearly 2 million non-citizen Hispanics illegally registered to vote

The caught one:
Mexican woman in Texas sentenced to 8 years in prison for voter fraud | Fox News
She got 8 years in prison and her voting was due to a misunderstanding of the law.

From other source she voted republican......

How many other examples of the claimed millions can people find?



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they are already here illegally, why would voting being a crime stop them? Also, when is the last time you heard of anybody getting arrested for it? To me there is no risk or virtually no risk. Heck, some probably think they are doing it legally..... With the HUGE attempts to drive up voter turn out by the Dems, I could easily see why illegals would do it. They are voting for their own benefits. Oh, and the whole sanctuary city thing.... To be honest, with what you wrote, why would anyone vote?
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Re: Nearly 2 million non-citizen Hispanics illegally registered to vote

Dave,

It's an easy answer.

Part 1 - Illegals don't vote. If they're caught, or if they ever apply for adjustment of status, they're screwed.

Part 2 - the states with large illegal population are for the most part polarized states. Not in swing states except Florida.

Part 3 - if you pay people to vote, the cost is not insignificant. Figure $100 a vote times..

Part 4 - how do you keep it deniable?
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Re: Nearly 2 million non-citizen Hispanics illegally registered to vote

Do illegals live and operate under their real names? Do they have real social security numbers? Do they obtain drivers licenses, rent homes, acquire utilities in their real names?

It would be quite simple to register to vote under a false identity, and then to vote using that identity. Activist groups are very well funded and very well organized in some areas and have no problem paying people to show up to protest and riot. I don't find it difficult to believe that a large number of illegals vote, nor that a large number of fraudulent votes are cast due to other methods.

But we could easily and quickly put this issue to rest. Voter ID. Require a voter ID be produced at the polling station which is issued to the voter upon registering to vote when positive identification is provided showing a person is who they say they are and that they are a legal citizen entitled to vote. There are many ways to accomplish such a closed loop system. While there is always fraud, our elections could be greatly improved with a simple voter ID.

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One glaring difference. Activist provocateurs are quite effective in small numbers and are quite anonymous. For voter illegals that ain't so. You need lots of easily identifiable voters or lots of forged identities. Not worth the effort or risk.

1000% agree on voter ID.
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He obviously lost the popular vote by a significant margin; the electoral vote, though, wasn't so close.

Either way, if there are vulnerabilities in our electoral process (and there clearly are), they need to be dealt with. Otherwise it might be your candidate losing the popular vote yet winning the electoral vote next time around.

And if you're OK w/ that, you can't really cry foul.
I didn't agree with either of those two worthless candidates. But the Electoral College needs to be dissolved. The popular vote should decide, even though her win would have been equally as abhorrent.
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you obviously don't know how easy it is to register to vote in some states. a DL is all you need in many. When you get your 1st DL, they ask you directly if you want to register to vote and most of the time there is no information to tell you who is eligible and who isn't.

You need to let your bitterness for the Trump go, you will have him as pres for 4 or 8 more years.
Sorry to break this to you, but you have no idea what your talking about. Sure some states have same day registration, but you need that damn, pesky, drivers license. To get that, you have to provide a birth certificate, a security number, 2 utility bills, your property taxes, and your former license, all courtesy of the patriot act. There was no voter fraud. If there was, Hillary would be signing the executive orders.
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What's ridiculous?

I don't even understand why you are talking about ratting anyone out. Who is talking about you ratting anyone out? Why is it wrong to abide by the law?

I never said they would lie to prove my point.

What the hell are you talking about?

You make absolutely no sense at all! I don't even know where yvoou got this stuff you posted?! Are you on drugs or drunk?!
Simple illegals aren't voting and have little interest in doing so
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I didn't agree with either of those two worthless candidates. But the Electoral College needs to be dissolved. The popular vote should decide, even though her win would have been equally as abhorrent.
Using the popular vote alone would be reckless and stupid.

Use both.

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