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A large number of non-citizen Hispanics, as many as 2 million, were illegally registered to vote in the U.S., according to a nationwide poll.
The National Hispanic Survey provides additional evidence for use by anti-voter fraud conservatives and bolsters an analysis by professors at Old Dominion University who say non-citizens registered and voted in potentially large numbers.


The little-noticed Hispanic survey was conducted in June 2013 by McLaughlin and Associates to gauge the opinions of U.S. resident Latinos on a wide range of issues.
Inside the poll is a page devoted to voter profiles. Of the randomly selected sample of 800 Hispanics, 56 percent, or 448, said they were non-citizens, and of those, 13 percent said they were registered to vote. The 448 would presumedly be a mix of illegal immigrants and noncitizens who are in the U.S. legally, such as visa holders or permanent residents.


A 1996 federal law, and other statues, makes it a felony for non-citizens to register. The poll did not ask if they voted.
But James Agresti, who directs the research nonprofit “Just Facts,” applied the 13 percent figure to 2013 U.S. Census numbers for non-citizen Hispanic adults. In 2013, the Census reported that 11.8 million non-citizen Hispanic adults lived here, which would amount to 1.5 million illegally registered Latinos.
Accounting for the margin of error based on the sample size of non-citizens, Mr. Agresti calculated that the number of illegally registered Hispanics could range from 1.0 million to 2.1 million.
“Contrary to the claims of many media outlets and so-called fact-checkers, this nationally representative scientific poll confirms that a sizable number of non-citizens in the U.S. are registered to vote,” Mr. Agresti said.


Another 8.3 million non-Hispanic non-citizen adults were living in the U.S. in 2013, according to the Census.
As the nation’s immigrant population, both legal and illegal, grows, the question of non-citizens voting illegally has caught the attention of more grass-roots conservative groups. Aliens tend to vote Democratic and have the ability to sway a close election.

The focus intensified in 2014 when two professors at Old Dominion University and one at George Mason University collaborated to produce perhaps the first data-driven analysis of non-citizen voting, relying on the biennial Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES), headquartered at Harvard University, with polling by YouGov.

Relying on the CCES responses to citizenship questions, ODU team estimated that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in the 2008 election. They presented a range as low as 38,000 and as high at 2.8 million.

The CCES authors at Harvard, Amherst and YouGov reacted with outrage. They said the small number of respondents among a sample of 38,000 people made the answers meaningless. They picked at their numbers, declared them unreliable and concluded that zero noncitizens voted.

Their rebuttal prompted the liberal media to proclaim the ODU study “debunked” even though those professors stick by their work and have filed counter-rebuttals.

The 2013 Hispanic Survey tends to confirm the ODU work and chief defender, professor Jesse Richman. The Hispanic Survey’s 13 percent registration rate is right in line with what the CCES data indicates in multiple elections.

Mr. Agresti said the ODU paper found that in 2008, 2010 and 2012 between 14.5 percent and 15.6 percent of self-declared non-citizen adults were registered to vote.

In other words, the CCES and National Hispanic Survey, done with different sample sizes, align.

Still, the liberal media declares the ODU work “debunked.”

McLaughlin and Associates conducted the Hispanic poll for John Jordan, a winery owner and Republican activist. California vineyards rely on Latino farm workers.

The media’s dismissal of voter fraud has not chased the White House from the issue. Mr. Miller, the senior While House adviser, made the case Sunday on “ABC’s This Week,” angering host George Stephanopoulos.
“An issue of voter fraud is something we’re going to be looking at very seriously and very hard,” Mr. Miller said. “But the reality is, is that we know for a fact, you have massive numbers of non-citizens registered to vote in this country. Nobody disputes that.”

Nearly 2 million non-citizen Hispanics illegally registered to vote - Washington Times

What can be done about this?

How is it that one state does not have the ability to know that a person may have residences in two states?

How much more do we have to pay in taxes to have a safe election process?

Why would anyone allow this to happen?

Do you want this to stop? Why or why not?


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What can be done about this?

How is it that one state does not have the ability to know that a person may have residences in two states?

How much more do we have to pay in taxes to have a safe election process?

Why would anyone allow this to happen?

Do you want this to stop? Why or why not?
The liberals (Clinton/Obama lovers) want this to keep going. Let whoever come into this country illegally, collect welfare, receive free health care and vote. It sickening and ruining this country. Trump is trying to fix this but all you hear on the news is the frickin liberals tearing him up, pissed off they lost the last election.

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Re: Nearly 2 million non-citizen Hispanics illegally registered to vote

Wouldn't the Reps know this, too?

They aren't stupid. It seems they all just want to use whatever means available to stay in office.

I guess this is the real Hispanic vote they've been talking about? Cause anyone who has become a citizen is no longer a Hispanic, they are simply a U.S. citizen and their heritage is Hispanic.

Like mine is European.

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Re: Nearly 2 million non-citizen Hispanics illegally registered to vote

Wait I thought there was no evidence?
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Re: Nearly 2 million non-citizen Hispanics illegally registered to vote

You have to look at these studies very carefully.

I don't konw this particular study, but the one that listed 3 million illegal voters asked questions about citizenship and then about voter registration. There were statistically 3 million people who said they were non-citizens, but who were registered to vote.

sounds simple - but its not.

People fill out surveys incorrectly -misread questions, make mistakes, or just fill in random dots to screw with people. If you are asking if people prefer Fords or Chevys, these numbers balance out. But if you ask for a low probability event like voting illegally, the mistake rate can far exceed the real rate.

If you asked "are you from mars?" on a survey, you would get a significant number of positive answers.

The people who did the original study I mentioned, retracted it when they did more statistical analysis and found this "mistake" rate.

In any case lots of people are registered to vote "illegally", including some of the president's cabinet (registered in multiple states). What matters is if the ACTUALLY voted. I've seen no studies that show a significant number of people VOTING illegally.
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Re: Nearly 2 million non-citizen Hispanics illegally registered to vote

How many of those are in states where pretty automatically getting a driver's license registered you to vote?

When you apply for US citizenship the first thing they want is if you have ever voted. Instant trouble. Who's going to risk that for $50?

http://www.brennancenter.org/analysi...ization-states indicated a bunch of states have automatic voter registration...
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How many of those are in states where pretty automatically getting a driver's license registered you to vote?

When you apply for US citizenship the first thing they want is if you have ever voted. Instant trouble. Who's going to risk that for $50?

Automatic Voter Registration and Modernization in the States | Brennan Center for Justice indicated a bunch of states have automatic voter registration...
Many of the states that gave out drivers licenses like this will no long do that. Here in NM, as of late 2016, we have to prove our citizenship. Citizens get driver's licenses now. Non-citizens get driver permits.
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Re: Nearly 2 million non-citizen Hispanics illegally registered to vote

I would not be surprised if this is a pretty good estimation of how many illegals registered and voted.

What do we do about it? We find out what the truth is. Do audits on voter registration and voting in every state. Find out how many non-citizens registered and voted.
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Many of the states that gave out drivers licenses like this will no long do that. Here in NM, as of late 2016, we have to prove our citizenship. Citizens get driver's licenses now. Non-citizens get driver permits.
But these people are "registered".

As long as the USA does not adapt common processes for voting we'll continue to have shenanigans like those. I was asked many times if I want to register to vote when I had a green card...

Some moron green card holders even did vote... My immigration attorney made lots of money trying to undo their idiocy.
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But these people are "registered".

As long as the USA does not adapt common processes for voting we'll continue to have shenanigans like those. I was asked many times if I want to register to vote when I had a green card...

Some moron green card holders even did vote... My immigration attorney made lots of money trying to undo their idiocy.
It is illegal for non-citizens to even register to vote. Perhaps part of the solution is an education campaign since apparently a lot of non-citizens don't know the law or they are ignoring it and don't care.

When you had a green card, when you were asked to register, did you? Or did you not register because you follow the law.

I, as a citizen, have been asked if I wanted to register while in different states and different districts. I said now because I know that I am not supposed to register in more than one place. I am not supposed vote in more than one precinct.

If, as a country, we conduct audits of who is registered and who has voted, we will find out what is really going on. If it shows a problem, then we citizens can push for the registration/voting process in every state to be fixed.

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I would not be surprised if this is a pretty good estimation of how many illegals registered and voted.

What do we do about it? We find out what the truth is. Do audits on voter registration and voting in every state. Find out how many non-citizens registered and voted.
The operative word is *and voting*.... 15 states have automatic voter registration. Not too difficult to check fir actual voting.
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Re: Nearly 2 million non-citizen Hispanics illegally registered to vote

Has anyone seen evidence of significant illegal voting, as opposed to significant illegal registration - which as others have said can happen automatically as part of getting a drivers license.

Even if getting the drivers license was illegal, that is a different problem than illegal votes.

BTW - the reason some groups object to careful voter registration is that it is difficult to do that in a way that doesn't make it difficult for the homeless and other people on the fringes of society to get registered.
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http://www.ncsl.org/research/electio...istration.aspx

Six states and DC have atomatic voter registration.

Alaska 2016
California 2015
Connecticut 2016
District of Columbia 2016
Oregon 2015
Vermont 2016
West Virginia 2016

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The process begins at the motor vehicle agency. When citizens apply for, renew or replace a driver’s license, permit or identification card, their relevant information—including name, address, date of birth and signature—is shared electronically with the state election agency. That registration application is then verified for eligibility (citizenship, age and residency), compared to *the information with what’s already in the statewide voter registration database and, if there is no existing registration, the person is added*to the voter rolls.

States have addressed the ability of voters to opt-out of registration in different ways. In California, West Virginia and Vermont, individuals will be given the opportunity to opt-out at the point of contact with the motor vehicle agency.

In Oregon, the election agency mails the voter a registration notification card after their transaction at the motor vehicle agency. At that time, the voter is assigned a "pending" status for 21 days, in which time they can do one of three things:

Choose a party affiliation and mail back a completed card.

Select the option declining to be registered and mail back the postcard.
Take no action and thus become registered as an unaffiliated voter after 21 days.
As all the states move to the real ID, a person's citizenship status will be known at the time they get/renew their driver's license. So each state can be sure to only register citizens.

To me, the best things we can do is to find out what is really going on and fix it. Fix it so that only citizens are registered to vote and then only citizens vote.
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Has anyone seen evidence of significant illegal voting, as opposed to significant illegal registration - which as others have said can happen automatically as part of getting a drivers license.
I too doubt that a significant number of votes were cast illegally.

However, I can't figure out why anyone would object to finding out for sure.

I see that some use the fact that few people have been charged with illegal voting as evidence that illegal voting isn't a problem. But, it could just be evidence that it isn't being investigated. That's like saying that the fact that few people are found guilty of jaywalking in downtown Chicago is evidence that everyone obeys the traffic signals. Maybe, but it could also mean that people are jaywalking and police just aren't issuing tickets for it.

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BTW - the reason some groups object to careful voter registration is that it is difficult to do that in a way that doesn't make it difficult for the homeless and other people on the fringes of society to get registered.
I'm a little back and forth on this. Needing a state ID to vote doesn't seem to be more of a burden than needing a state ID to purchase alcohol or cigarettes (and I'm sure that some poor people do that).

Then I realize that, while I've seen middle-age women without ID not allowed to buy wine at my suburban grocery store, in poor neighborhoods they're not likely to be carding as aggressively.

But then again, unless the only place to get a free state ID is in a remote area and open only on Tuesdays from 1 to 1:15, I just can't see it as that much of a hardship.
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I would not be surprised if this is a pretty good estimation of how many illegals registered and voted.

What do we do about it? We find out what the truth is. Do audits on voter registration and voting in every state. Find out how many non-citizens registered and voted.
But it's racist to try to make sure that only citizens can vote!
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