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OP here again. I sent an email to the pastor of the church just to verify their views were the same as Sundays speaker (it wasn't the regular pastor).

Here is his response... "Thank you for your candid response. At xxxxxxxx we take our stance from the Bible and not from culture. We cannot apologize for that, nor will we change that fundamental belief. We strive to love everyone, but must call them to biblical repentance."

Honestly I'm Ok with their beliefs, it's just when I see words like "all welcome" and "inclusive" in their literature I interpret that literally so felt I was mislead. And I suppose they mean it literally, as long as your willing to conform and repent. lol
Well they are in the business of saving souls, and there are certain things that they believe a soul must do to be saved.


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OP here again. I sent an email to the pastor of the church just to verify their views were the same as Sundays speaker (it wasn't the regular pastor).

Here is his response... "Thank you for your candid response. At xxxxxxxx we take our stance from the Bible and not from culture. We cannot apologize for that, nor will we change that fundamental belief. We strive to love everyone, but must call them to biblical repentance."

Honestly I'm Ok with their beliefs, it's just when I see words like "all welcome" and "inclusive" in their literature I interpret that literally so felt I was mislead. And I suppose they mean it literally, as long as your willing to conform and repent. lol
Did they kick you out? If you were a homosexual would they kick you out? How about if your were sexually active and not married? I think you would still be welcome and included in their services.


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Did they kick you out? If you were a homosexual would they kick you out? How about if your were sexually active and not married? I think you would still be welcome and included in their services.
Those are great questions. No they didn't kick me out but I am also not gay nor I have I ever lived with someone I wasn't married to. I wonder what they would do if a parishioner was openly being "sinful" in their eyes.
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How does God view this? The Bible answers that too. The answers are all in there, for those who care to look.
That sounds nice and simple, but then readers eventually get to sections such as what to do if someone tells you to worship a different God. The bible provides detailed instructions for how to kill/stone such a person. ( Deuteronomy 13)

Therefore I respectfully disagree that "all answers in there" are actually good answers.

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That sounds nice and simple, but then readers eventually get to sections such as what to do if someone tells you to worship a different God. The bible provides detailed instructions for how to kill/stone such a person. ( Deuteronomy 13)

Therefore I respectfully disagree that "all answers in there" are actually good answers.
And then there's the part about not eating shellfish. I take SERIOUS issue with that one!

But seriously... I agree. There are a lot of things that parts of the Bible not only condones but encourages, which are clearly wrong, like domestic abuse. And multiple wives.

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And then there's the part about not eating shellfish. I take SERIOUS issue with that one!
See, now that and not eating any pork products are some of the easiest things for me. 😂


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see, now that and not eating any pork products are some of the easiest things for me. ��

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Contrary to current popular culture, Church is not for entertainment.
Minor correction--It's not SUPPOSED to be for entertainment. Nor is it supposed to be for arbitrary judging or social snobbery. Yet for many churches that's what it is, especially old-school churches. I grew up in an Assembly of God church, and while they were actually pretty good about not calling out groups of people for Hell and damnation (I do think I heard Mormons mentioned once), there was definitely a vibe of what was acceptable dress, behavior, etc.

My mother told me a story once of a church she went to as a young woman. One Sunday morning a homeless man came in for a service and was promptly shown the door. He was quiet and respectful, but he was not welcome because he was indigent. The very kind of person that Jesus would have sought out and brought in was rejected, because he wasn't dressed properly.

The church that I (infrequently) attend now is very casual about dress, and very accepting of pretty much everyone. People attend in shorts and flip-flops. I can't make myself do that even to this day, but I'm glad that people have the option. My only quibble is that they do lean a little heavy on the entertainment side. I've never liked Christian music.

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How does God view this? The Bible answers that too. The answers are all in there, for those who care to look.
That sounds nice and simple, but then readers eventually get to sections such as what to do if someone tells you to worship a different God. The bible provides detailed instructions for how to kill/stone such a person. ( Deuteronomy 13). Therefore I respectfully disagree that "all answers in there" are actually good answers.
From my understanding...things like that were under the Mosiac Law Covenant, which we are not under anymore. That was between God and the Israelites. This ended when Jesus died, he was the fullfillment of the Law. It was blotted out when he died for us.

Colossians 2:14- Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


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Minor correction--It's not SUPPOSED to be for entertainment. Nor is it supposed to be for arbitrary judging or social snobbery. Yet for many churches that's what it is, especially old-school churches. I grew up in an Assembly of God church, and while they were actually pretty good about not calling out groups of people for Hell and damnation (I do think I heard Mormons mentioned once), there was definitely a vibe of what was acceptable dress, behavior, etc.

My mother told me a story once of a church she went to as a young woman. One Sunday morning a homeless man came in for a service and was promptly shown the door. He was quiet and respectful, but he was not welcome because he was indigent. The very kind of person that Jesus would have sought out and brought in was rejected, because he wasn't dressed properly.

The church that I (infrequently) attend now is very casual about dress, and very accepting of pretty much everyone. People attend in shorts and flip-flops. I can't make myself do that even to this day, but I'm glad that people have the option. My only quibble is that they do lean a little heavy on the entertainment side. I've never liked Christian music.
This is because ALL Churches are made up of sinners. The Church I have been a member of for over 20 years drives me crazy sometimes. Some churches may indeed think they are perfect, which is exactly one of the symptoms of utter failure on the Churches part. The only PERFECT thing we have in the true Church is a perfect savior in Jesus Christ and The perfect Word of God, the Bible. Each man must work out his "OWN salvation in fear and trembling."

To the church of the Laodiceans:

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[17] Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
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And then there's the part about not eating shellfish. I take SERIOUS issue with that one!

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Yes! What's life without shrimp, scallops, and crab legs?
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Yes! What's life without shrimp, scallops, and crab legs?
Without them? Life not worth living!

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From my understanding...things like that were under the Mosiac Law Covenant, which we are not under anymore. That was between God and the Israelites. This ended when Jesus died, he was the fullfillment of the Law. It was blotted out when he died for us.

Colossians 2:14- Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Obviously, but that's not what the unbeliever wants to hear, or understand. They simply want to suppress the truth anyway possible. Truth is like light. Someone that loves darkness rather than light will do ANYTHING to stop the light from shining on them.

Simply par for the course.

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[12] For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
[13] Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
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Contrary to current popular culture, Church is not for entertainment.
Indeed. But I do think that their are perhaps being a little optimistic if they think they can rise above the culture of which they are a product. Hoarding money rather than giving it to the poor is a serious sin of omission of which I am guilty, yet it might be that such people are effectively more welcome. That would reflect a cultural expression rather than one directed necessarily by the Gospel.
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