Christian churches? - Page 4 - Talk About Marriage
Politics and Religion This is the place to discuss politics, morality, religion, and anything controversial.

User Tag List

 76Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
post #46 of 59 (permalink) Old 02-22-2017, 11:36 AM
Member
 
Maricha75's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Michigan
Posts: 7,291
Re: Christian churches?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve1000 View Post
Yes! What's life without shrimp, scallops, and crab legs?
Quote:
Originally Posted by FeministInPink View Post
Without them? Life not worth living!
Smh 😂 I'm doing just fine without them. But thanks for thinking my life is,not worth living.

Here's another secret: *gasp* I don't drink alcohol, either! Nor do I use tobacco products, nor have I tried any drugs that are classified as illegal.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk


You can use the 2x4 without adding nails to it.
Maricha75 is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #47 of 59 (permalink) Old 02-22-2017, 11:55 AM
UMP
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 2,279
Re: Christian churches?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr The Other View Post
Hoarding money rather than giving it to the poor is a serious sin of omission of which I am guilty,
I am guilty too.

Matthew 19:
[16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[20] The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
[21] Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
[22] But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
[23] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
[24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
UMP is offline  
post #48 of 59 (permalink) Old 02-22-2017, 12:09 PM
Member
 
Steve1000's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: The Big O / S-Hai
Posts: 1,046
Re: Christian churches?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maricha75 View Post
Smh 😂 I'm doing just fine without them. But thanks for thinking my life is,not worth living.

Here's another secret: *gasp* I don't drink alcohol, either! Nor do I use tobacco products, nor have I tried any drugs that are classified as illegal.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Maricha,
I hope you know that I was not serious about my suggestion about life without shrimp, scallops, and crab legs.

No tobacco products?!? What makes you get out of bed in the morning?

I'm joking about that too.
Steve1000 is offline  
 
post #49 of 59 (permalink) Old 02-22-2017, 12:21 PM
Member
 
Maricha75's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Michigan
Posts: 7,291
Re: Christian churches?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve1000 View Post
Maricha,
I hope you know that I was not serious about my suggestion about life without shrimp, scallops, and crab legs.

No tobacco products?!? What makes you get out of bed in the morning?

I'm joking about that too.
My mom was a smoker. That, in and of itself, was enough to convince me NOT TO smoke... even if it wasn't part of the health teachings of my church. 😊

No, I understand you're joking (smh doesn't come across very easily when it's that half smiling head shaking lol).

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk

You can use the 2x4 without adding nails to it.
Maricha75 is online now  
post #50 of 59 (permalink) Old 02-23-2017, 05:48 AM Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Ohio
Posts: 1,531
Re: Christian churches?

This is the OP again. I received another message from the pastor further explaining the churches beliefs. He said all are welcome to the church, but their hope is over time sinners will recognize their sins and repent in the love of God. Meaning gays will hit themselves in the head one day realizing they don't want to be gay! Or couples living together will get married even if they're not ready, what could go wrong with that logic? I use those two examples because those are the two things Sunday's speaker was focused on as disgusting sins.

Here's a direct quote from the pastor in his last message “God loves us just the way we are, but He loves us too much to leave us that way!” My first thought reading that is that is exactly why so many relationships fail! You fall in love with a person for who they are but then you start trying to change them into what you want the relationship blows up! Oh and even though God loves us just the way we are if we don't change we are punished for eternity! Seems like a hypocritical message to me.
Cooper is offline  
post #51 of 59 (permalink) Old 02-23-2017, 06:52 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 104
Re: Christian churches?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper View Post
This is the OP again. I received another message from the pastor further explaining the churches beliefs. He said all are welcome to the church, but their hope is over time sinners will recognize their sins and repent in the love of God. Meaning gays will hit themselves in the head one day realizing they don't want to be gay! Or couples living together will get married even if they're not ready, what could go wrong with that logic? I use those two examples because those are the two things Sunday's speaker was focused on as disgusting sins.

Here's a direct quote from the pastor in his last message “God loves us just the way we are, but He loves us too much to leave us that way!” My first thought reading that is that is exactly why so many relationships fail! You fall in love with a person for who they are but then you start trying to change them into what you want the relationship blows up! Oh and even though God loves us just the way we are if we don't change we are punished for eternity! Seems like a hypocritical message to me.
I thought you said you are an atheist, so I do not understand how anything that the pastor stated above would be news to you.
Look, I am an atheist and anti-religion. Not the same as anti-religious people as most of my family and acquaintances are religious and I love them just the same. The last thing I'd want to do as an atehist is to go around "trolling" churches which is kind of what you are doing in my view. Why be sorrounded by people with whom you are going to mostly disagree in the most fundamental core belifes? I do understand that you may want to feel a sense of comunity and belonging that a church may offer but unless you find a unitarian church, you are probably going to have a hard time.
It seems to me that you are not 100% atheist and more of an agnostic or perhaps you are exploring the possibility of becoming a person of faith. That is all good as well but then you are going to have to be more open to those beliefs that you currently may not agree with.

In sum, I'd recommend an ethical society (google it) if there is one near where you live or for something more faith based a unitarian church. But as an atheist myself I would never step into a church and expect the pastor or leader to agree with my views or even consider changing their views in any way...that should be common sense really. Best of luck on your search for a compatible congregation or community.
Itwasjustafantasy is offline  
post #52 of 59 (permalink) Old 02-23-2017, 08:07 AM Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Ohio
Posts: 1,531
Re: Christian churches?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Itwasjustafantasy View Post
I thought you said you are an atheist, so I do not understand how anything that the pastor stated above would be news to you.
Look, I am an atheist and anti-religion. Not the same as anti-religious people as most of my family and acquaintances are religious and I love them just the same. The last thing I'd want to do as an atehist is to go around "trolling" churches which is kind of what you are doing in my view. Why be sorrounded by people with whom you are going to mostly disagree in the most fundamental core belifes? I do understand that you may want to feel a sense of comunity and belonging that a church may offer but unless you find a unitarian church, you are probably going to have a hard time.
It seems to me that you are not 100% atheist and more of an agnostic or perhaps you are exploring the possibility of becoming a person of faith. That is all good as well but then you are going to have to be more open to those beliefs that you currently may not agree with.

In sum, I'd recommend an ethical society (google it) if there is one near where you live or for something more faith based a unitarian church. But as an atheist myself I would never step into a church and expect the pastor or leader to agree with my views or even consider changing their views in any way...that should be common sense really. Best of luck on your search for a compatible congregation or community.



I certainly would never expect a church to change it's beliefs for me or apologize for what their beliefs are. I started this thread because I realized I must have misunderstood the core message and philosophy of a "Christian" church. I wanted to find out if it was the specific church I went to or if that was an across the board foundation of beliefs. Now I know.

I am well beyond being an agnostic, God and creation makes no sense to me at all. I truly enjoy the community of a church and the usually positive message I get, that's the only motivation I have to occasionally attend. But you are right to wonder why as an atheist I attend at all, I go for long periods of time where I never go, but then I get it in my head to go and for a bit I do. I suppose I'm as big of a hypocrite as any by attending a service knowing I don't believe and never will. My reasons for going may be well off point and offensive to devout believers, not sure what that says about me as a person.

I will investigate "ethical society", never heard of such a group before.
Cooper is offline  
post #53 of 59 (permalink) Old 02-23-2017, 08:20 AM
UMP
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 2,279
Re: Christian churches?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper View Post
I don't believe and never will.
That's what Paul said on the way to Damascus to kill him some Christians.

Psalms 110
[3] Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power,

The question is, are you one of His people? I don't know. In fact, I struggle with knowing myself because of my sin nature and the weakness of my flesh.
UMP is offline  
post #54 of 59 (permalink) Old 02-23-2017, 08:27 AM
UMP
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 2,279
Re: Christian churches?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper View Post
This is the OP again. I received another message from the pastor further explaining the churches beliefs. He said all are welcome to the church, but their hope is over time sinners will recognize their sins and repent in the love of God. Meaning gays will hit themselves in the head one day realizing they don't want to be gay! Or couples living together will get married even if they're not ready, what could go wrong with that logic? I use those two examples because those are the two things Sunday's speaker was focused on as disgusting sins.

Here's a direct quote from the pastor in his last message “God loves us just the way we are, but He loves us too much to leave us that way!” My first thought reading that is that is exactly why so many relationships fail! You fall in love with a person for who they are but then you start trying to change them into what you want the relationship blows up! Oh and even though God loves us just the way we are if we don't change we are punished for eternity! Seems like a hypocritical message to me.
You must remember, most every Church is different than the next. The foundation is the Bible. Read it yourself and make up your own mind. Churches are made up of sinners and more often times than not, a "Church" can be just as corrupt if not worse than any other organization. I'll be glad to answer your questions.

If you do so, remember, I am just a messenger. MY words in and of themselves are meaningless. My foundation of Truth is not from me or the world, it's from the Word of God. I do not want anything from you and I have nothing to sell you. It's free.

This thread can be your Church.

Last edited by UMP; 02-23-2017 at 09:08 AM.
UMP is offline  
post #55 of 59 (permalink) Old 02-23-2017, 08:58 AM
Forum Supporter
 
arbitrator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Central Texas/Brazos Valley
Posts: 11,516
Cool Re: Christian churches?

Quote:
Originally Posted by UMP View Post
That's what Paul said on the way to Damascus to kill him some Christians.

Psalms 110
[3] Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power,

The question is, are you one of His people? I don't know. In fact, I struggle with knowing myself because of my sinful nature and the weakness of my flesh.
No problem!

"For all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God!" Romans 3:23 (KJV)



"To love another person is to see the face of God!" - Jean Valjean from Les Miserables

My Story! http://talkaboutmarriage.com/going-t...andonment.html
arbitrator is offline  
post #56 of 59 (permalink) Old 02-23-2017, 09:02 AM
UMP
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 2,279
Re: Christian churches?

Quote:
Originally Posted by arbitrator View Post
No problem!

"For all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God!" Romans 3:23 (KJV)
In that case, thank God for Jesus Christ!
UMP is offline  
post #57 of 59 (permalink) Old 02-23-2017, 10:01 AM
Forum Supporter
 
arbitrator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Central Texas/Brazos Valley
Posts: 11,516
Cool Re: Christian churches?

Quote:
Originally Posted by UMP View Post
In that case, thank God for Jesus Christ!
Without the mercy of the Heavenly Father, along with the love of His son, Jesus Christ, and the blood that he shed for us, we were all summarily subjected to eternal damnation!

"To love another person is to see the face of God!" - Jean Valjean from Les Miserables

My Story! http://talkaboutmarriage.com/going-t...andonment.html
arbitrator is offline  
post #58 of 59 (permalink) Old 02-23-2017, 10:04 AM
Member
 
Maricha75's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Michigan
Posts: 7,291
Re: Christian churches?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper View Post
This is the OP again. I received another message from the pastor further explaining the churches beliefs. He said all are welcome to the church, but their hope is over time sinners will recognize their sins and repent in the love of God. Meaning gays will hit themselves in the head one day realizing they don't want to be gay! Or couples living together will get married even if they're not ready, what could go wrong with that logic? I use those two examples because those are the two things Sunday's speaker was focused on as disgusting sins.

Here's a direct quote from the pastor in his last message “God loves us just the way we are, but He loves us too much to leave us that way!” My first thought reading that is that is exactly why so many relationships fail! You fall in love with a person for who they are but then you start trying to change them into what you want the relationship blows up! Oh and even though God loves us just the way we are if we don't change we are punished for eternity! Seems like a hypocritical message to me.
Cooper, I am not sure if I will be able to explain it very well or not, but I will try.

You likened the words, regarding God's love for us to that of a human relationship. In a way, it is. But it is so much more than that, for those of us who are believers. Yes, He accepts us as we are. Yes, He loves us as we are. That, however, does not mean there is no room for improvement. I would liken our relationship with God to that of a parent with a child. I love my sons and my daughter. I live them as they are. However, I would hope, as their parent, they would adapt as they learn new things. I cannot, and will not, force them to do what I want for them (aside for obvious necessities, while they are minors, under my authority, of course). I would hope they would WANT to change any behaviors that are considered bad, but I cannot make them.

It's the same with God. He won't force us to follow Him, to do as He has requested. That is completely our own choice. But, if one chooses NOT to follow Him, why would it matter, to them, if another chooses the opposite? My point is this... I choose to follow Him, to the best of my ability, and with the knowledge that had been presented to me. I know that some are not at the same point in that walk. Some are farther along, and others are behind. Some will choose to put all into God's hands. Others will not. Some will struggle, some will not.

I would say it kind of fits the parent/child dynamic in this way:
1. The child thinks, "Mom loves me, so I want to do things to make her proud, like getting good grades in school."
2. The child thinks, "I need to get good grades so my mom will love me."

There is a difference in motivstion, which will also change the perception. God loves me, so I want to please Him. I don't try to please Him so He WILL love me.

I hope that made sense to you.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk

You can use the 2x4 without adding nails to it.
Maricha75 is online now  
post #59 of 59 (permalink) Old 02-23-2017, 10:13 AM
UMP
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 2,279
Re: Christian churches?

Quote:
Originally Posted by arbitrator View Post
Without the mercy of the Heavenly Father, along with the love of Christ and the blood that he shed for us, we were all summarily subjected to eternal damnation!
The part of "eternal damnation" that is so hard for anyone (including me) to fully understand is the fact that no man will be in hell that does not DESERVE to be there. Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. This includes all those going to hell. Even they will confess that God is JUST in all that He has done and will do.

I believe in order for we frail mortal humans to understand we need to look at someone like Hilter, a most universal picture of evil. If one had to pick a perfect evil, the name of Hitler might come to mind. What is the perfect punishment for a perfect evil? The perfect, sinless, immutable, eternal God punishing and banishing "it" to an eternal hell.

Last edited by UMP; 02-23-2017 at 12:20 PM.
UMP is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on Talk About Marriage, you must first register. Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

Important! Your username will be visible to the public next to anything you post and could show up in search engines like Google. If you are concerned about anonymity, PLEASE choose a username that will not be recognizable to anyone you know.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Former Christian but wife still believes Misfits Relationships and Spirituality 78 06-21-2016 01:19 AM
Donald Trump and Women lifeistooshort Politics and Religion 174 03-14-2016 05:01 AM
Christian mental health counselor IrishQ Considering Divorce or Separation 5 02-26-2016 12:15 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome