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Aren't Christian churches considered all inclusive? Today a speaker talked about why we accept to be subjected to witnessing the "sin" of gays, or why we accept the "sin" of couples that live together without marrying. He even showed a picture from an advertisment of two women in a bathtub as an example of sin we should be disgusted with. I was shocked to the point I stood up and walked out.

I have been a casual visitor to this church many times but evidently was ignorant to their true beliefs and philosophies.

Is this an isolated issue or are all "Christian" churches like this? I might have to go back to being Catholic, at least they have shown some signs of evolution. lol

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Speaking of the United Methodist Church, we are still relatively open minded!

The biggest thing presently on its national agenda is the potential ordination of gay clergymen, which could well end up causing an ultimate split within the denomination!

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Re: Christian churches?

Christianity is composed of a great man sects with different beliefs. You can probably find a church that is aligned with your own feelings of right and wrong.
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Re: Christian churches?

There are many different Christian Churches.

Catholic Church is the biggest.
Then there are the Orthodox, and the Coptic, and the Byzantine.

And after the reformation there came the Protestants. There are over 30,000 Protestant sects. Each one with their own interpretation of the Bible.

So... I don't think that there is any statement except that they believe in Jesus and that they each follow to the Bible to one degree or another, that can be made about all Christian Churches.
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Re: Christian churches?

They're all different... sometimes it even depends on the individual minister. I was raised in a pretty liberal Methodist church in a small town (but I consider myself agnostic/atheist now), and as an individual church, we kind of turned a blind eye to certain "sins." The congregation didn't openly approve, but didn't openly disapprove, either. Like there were couples who lived together before they got married, or had a kid together before they got married. One of the two couples who led the youth group had an abortion before they got married. The music director was gay, and everybody knew it; his partner was a member of the congregation who fixed the organ when it broke.

But there was a woman who serially cheated on her husband. I don't know how long that went on, but when members of the congregation found out she made a pass at a church member, people became openly hostile towards her. She and her family had to leave and go to another church. They did come back to my parents' church about 15 years later... I don't know if she repented or what, but they're back. It may have something to do with the fact that the church member she tried to seduce had since passed away, and he had no surviving family--there was no one left to hold a grudge anymore, I suppose.

Now, while I was in college, they got a new minister (ministers are assigned by the overall church conference, and individual churches have no say in who they get) who was a real fire-n-brimstone preachers, and was very outspoken about the certain sins that members of the congregation preferred to overlook. He did NOT last long. The entire church mobilized against him, every "connection" that was had was called upon, every favor owed was cashed in, and they managed to get him reassigned within a year or two.

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The music director was gay, and everybody knew it; his partner was a member of the congregation who fixed the organ when it broke.

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Ha ha! The church's pipe organ. Get your mind out of the gutter.

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Re: Christian churches?

From what I have gathered, many are different although you would think with all having the same "guidebook" things would be more similar. My DH has attended about every faith he's come across, so that, and coworkers etc are what I'm basing my reply on. It's my belief that all types of people should be welcome to attend services of any faith they so desire. This is one of the ways they can draw closer to God. A congregation that would not welcome all to attend is not very Christian. I can't imagine Jesus telling a gay person to stop trying to worship God.

From my understanding of the Bible, sex outside of marriage is a sin. Who the premarital sex is with, is not the sin, the sex outside of marriage is. Does the Bible discuss homosexuality? Yes. We can either opt to follow what it says about it or not. Most churches I know of do nothing about sex before marriage besides occasionally preach against it, but almost accept it as a "given" in today's society. For instance the leaders of many of the younth groups in churches that I am aware of are all immoral in their personal lives and no one from the churches seem to care or be conscerned about the example they are setting. Overall church members can be in good standing regardless of their lifestyle and choices. Healthy donations seems to get them a more prominent role with a lot less Bible principals needing to be adhered too. How does God view this? The Bible answers that too. The answers are all in there, for those who care to look.

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Ha ha! The church's pipe organ. Get your mind out of the gutter.
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Pipe organ....

Yeah... too many churchs and people who judge others about their life, their sex life or love life. They should mind their own business. Actual bad situations such as cheaters, liars, murderers, child molesters, the poor and starving - put the energy towards those things to be solved.


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This is the OP, for the record I am an atheist. I go to church because I believe in the power of community, church brings people together and can do good things. Also going to church creates a positive energy for me, I enjoy a good sermon that makes me reflect on my life.

I have been to dozens of different denominational churches over the years, and even non denominational. Quit a few of these "Christian" churches have sprang up around here over the years, I enjoy going to them because they are so accepting and current with their beliefs, or so I thought.

For the record I am not gay, I think what bothered me is the fact they are not as accepting and open minded as I believed. This church promotes itself as "a community church open to all that wish to share in the love of god" So where do they draw the line?

My bad for not doing more research on them.
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This is thread is the very reason I cannot believe in a religion. According to one poster there are over 30,000 different sects in the "Christian" church, each based on one man's interpretation of what he or she claims the word of God means. The words of which have only similarly been privately revealed to the few dozen who actually wrote them down (often times centuries after they were supposedly spoken and in a language few can even read, write or speak in anymore and after which is was further tweaked by numerous transcriptions, transliterations and revisions) In the meantime that means that billions of people simply accept one mans interpretation of an already unknown quantity and live their lives accordingly. You can have it. I want nothing to do with it.

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Aren't Christian churches considered all inclusive? Today a speaker talked about why we accept to be subjected to witnessing the "sin" of gays, or why we accept the "sin" of couples that live together without marrying. He even showed a picture from an advertisment of two women in a bathtub as an example of sin we should be disgusted with. I was shocked to the point I stood up and walked out.

I have been a casual visitor to this church many times but evidently was ignorant to their true beliefs and philosophies.

Is this an isolated issue or are all "Christian" churches like this? I might have to go back to being Catholic, at least they have shown some signs of evolution. lol
Churches are supposed to love the sinner but not the sin.

If a man struggles with pornography (as I do) he is welcome in our church, but he cannot cry foul when pornography is denounced by the same church. If I don't like what my pastor preaches on, the door is always open.....both ways.
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Aren't Christian churches considered all inclusive? Today a speaker talked about why we accept to be subjected to witnessing the "sin" of gays, or why we accept the "sin" of couples that live together without marrying. He even showed a picture from an advertisment of two women in a bathtub as an example of sin we should be disgusted with. I was shocked to the point I stood up and walked out.

I have been a casual visitor to this church many times but evidently was ignorant to their true beliefs and philosophies.

Is this an isolated issue or are all "Christian" churches like this? I might have to go back to being Catholic, at least they have shown some signs of evolution. lol
Writing as a Catholic, I think it is almost a multi-denominational Church in itself. It seems to me that it overlaps with most Protestant at one end and touches on Buddhism at the other end.

Just my impression.
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You're an atheist and think you're going to be comfortable in a Christian church?

Christians aren't supposed to be comfortable with people who lead a lifestyle that is against what the Bible clearly says is wrong.
But meet a real Christian and you WILL find that no matter your choices in life or "sins", you will be loved as a person and they will treat you acvordingly.

You're an atheist. Every person in that church would likely be praying for you if they knew you were.
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