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That's a cute document challenged mom and anchor baby ��

Maybe we should do our civic duty and intermarry with such cuties, solving a plethora of problems at once.... Better call Donald!!
Actually white America is on the decline. Fewer and fewer Anglo couples are having three kids. In order for any racial subset to remain viable, each couple must have two children to replace themselves. That is just to keep the population at a consistent level..not counting death and attrition.

To grow a population of a certain race or ethnic group, each married couple must have three or more children. Latinos and blacks are having 3+ kids, whereas whites are now only having an average of 1.5 per married couple I believe. So, if this trend continues, within two generations, or so, whites will be a minority in North America.

Doesn't matter to me. I would love for all Americans to become racially homogenized. I could see us all with natty red afros, blue slanted eyes, and milky brown skin with freckles.

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Doesn't matter to me. I would love for all Americans to become racially homogenized. I could see us all with natty red afros, blue slanted eyes, and milky brown skin with freckles.

Move to Hawai'i, we have been and continue to be more brown/beige than any single homogeneous racial or ethnic group. Culturally, we are American with a mix of Asian/Pacific islander persuasion.


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Move to Hawai'i, we have been and continue to be more brown/beige than any single homogeneous racial or ethnic group. Culturally, we are American with a mix of Asian/Pacific islander persuasion.


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As I think it should be. I like when I see different races mingling in America. It's a good thing. Best way to combat racism there is.
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Move to Hawai'i, we have been and continue to be more brown/beige than any single homogeneous racial or ethnic group. Culturally, we are American with a mix of Asian/Pacific islander persuasion.


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But... Hawaiian food...
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Hawaiian food is the best part.


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Pineapple hummus 😁

Food in general may be the best byproduct of ethnic fusion, and the gateway to better understanding.
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Taxation is theft.
Perhaps in the ideal utopian world, that is the case. The world where everybody just gets along, trading amongst themselves peaceably, with no need for the protection they receive from the laws that constitute a government. Otherwise, it a necessary evil, that is tolerated as it allows for the ever greater expansion of the economy. Imagine a world where a government is able to fund itself when most current governments cannot even fully fund themselves with levels of taxation at their current levels. Given the desire for these protections amongst the populace, it is highly unlikely states would reduce spending to offset the loss of income. So now imagine it simply borrows more to offset that which it no longer takes. The result would be hyperinflation to the point of crashing the economy. You may call taxation theft, I will call it the price of admission, but the reality is it is a brake exercised to allow more peacable trade than what would otherwise be possible in a world of hyperinflation.

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Taxation may be theft, but taxation is not only about what you pay in taxes but also about what you get for what you pay...

If I lived in Germany I'd pay maybe 10-15% more in taxes than here. But, I get the awesome social net, infrastructure, mass transit, free college...

That's what Americans haven't figured out yet.
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Taxation may be theft, but taxation is not only about what you pay in taxes but also about what you get for what you pay...

If I lived in Germany I'd pay maybe 10-15% more in taxes than here. But, I get the awesome social net, infrastructure, mass transit, free college...

That's what Americans haven't figured out yet.
That is because most Americans confuse greed with selfishness.

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You have to remember, a fair tax is one that someone else pays but I get the benefits.


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You have to remember, a fair tax is one that someone else pays but I get the benefits.
Immediate or long term benefits?

I used to give those types of problems to my students. If you have a horrible road between A and B who benefits more, the poor schlep driving a Mercury Topaz to their warehouse job or the busy surgeon driving her Lexus to the operating room?

If the schlep busts a tire he'll patch it or put a used one, and leave early to avoid traffic. The surgeon will spend a lot more to fix the computer controlled suspension in the Lexus plus waste valuable time on the road...

(No right answer, btw. I just wanted to see how my students unravel the complex consequences of simple decisions)
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My answer to your question John is that income tax is not the best way to finance roads that can be tied to usage. (roads are complicated because the federal, state, local government, and some cases private industry are involved) A better method is a user tax (fuel tax) which is the primary method. My problem with that is a tandem dump truck loaded with sand does a lot more road damage than a mini cooper and the tax on 10-12 times the fuel usage doesn't off set the wear and tear on the highway. So folks driving cars and pick-ups, even my 7,000 pound Duramax, subsidizes the trucking industry. (I know there are other taxes involved. I use to practice and teach tax law)

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Perhaps in the ideal utopian world, that is the case. The world where everybody just gets along, trading amongst themselves peaceably, with no need for the protection they receive from the laws that constitute a government. Otherwise, it a necessary evil, that is tolerated as it allows for the ever greater expansion of the economy. Imagine a world where a government is able to fund itself when most current governments cannot even fully fund themselves with levels of taxation at their current levels. Given the desire for these protections amongst the populace, it is highly unlikely states would reduce spending to offset the loss of income. So now imagine it simply borrows more to offset that which it no longer takes. The result would be hyperinflation to the point of crashing the economy. You may call taxation theft, I will call it the price of admission, but the reality is it is a brake exercised to allow more peacable trade than what would otherwise be possible in a world of hyperinflation.
If you are interested in learning why government is an unnecessary evil, I suggest reading http://www.amazon.com/Spontaneous-Or.../dp/B012DL2SQ2

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For some roads I can see that. But are we going to put tolls at the state or local level?

What happens when the road is paid off?

And the most important piece of the pie, infrastructure benefits everyone, not just those using it. If you're a Walmart and get a nice freeway built for your employees, customers, suppliers, and ultimately shareholders, who's paying the road taxes? Mostly your employees and customers. Who's getting the gains? The shareholders who may not even be real people, but legal entities.

Europe has lots of toll roads and it gets old after a while.

Pay for use also fails miserably in utility rates paid by corporations vs individuals. My city has kleptic water rates for homes, but businesses pay a fraction of that.

As always, privatize gains, socialize the costs.
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If you are interested in learning why government is an unnecessary evil, I suggest reading http://www.amazon.com/Spontaneous-Or.../dp/B012DL2SQ2
Again, in a utopian world this would be the case. Unfortunately greed is the human condition and any such society would quickly devolve into a might makes right environment leading directly to an oligarchy. I appreciate the anarcho-capitalistic opinion but it relies to heavily on ideals that simply don't exist in the real world. The fact is, as long as there are weak and/powerful humans will always create states to either enforce or protect them from others.

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