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...I've been listening to NPR lately. It seems as if they are truly trying to figure out why so many people voted against the Left (they're not all that good at it yet, but it seems like they are trying), so maybe that's promising.
Turns out that you can't spend years weaving a narrative of persistent victimization that involves essentially telling an entire cross-section of your population that -- by sole virtue of their political affiliation (or hey, maybe even the color of their skin) -- that they're irredeemably racist and misogynist w/o having them rally against your platform of free stuff and identity politics.


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Turns out that you can't spends years weaving a narrative of persistent victimization that involves essentially telling an entire cross-section of your population that -- by sole virtue of their political affiliation (or hey, maybe even the color of their skin) -- that they're irredeemably racist and misogynist w/o having them rally against your platform of free stuff and identity politics.
Really, really good comment Gus!
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Really, really good comment Gus!
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Turns out that you can't spends years weaving a narrative of persistent victimization that involves essentially telling an entire cross-section of your population that -- by sole virtue of their political affiliation (or hey, maybe even the color of their skin) -- that they're irredeemably racist and misogynist w/o having them rally against your platform of free stuff and identity politics.
"Free stuff?" where can I sign up? I actually agree with what you write except for that part. I also think conservatives have their own victimhood issues though. Christian-persecution complex comes to mind.

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"Free stuff?" where can I sign up? I actually agree with what you write except for that part. I also think conservatives have their own victimhood issues though. Christian-persecution complex comes to mind.
That's just it -- it's never "free".

And yeah, there's some of that stuff that goes on.

I'm a conservative (mostly), but I'm not in the habit of defending the indefensible, and you sure as Hell won't find me in Trump's corner.
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That's just it -- it's never "free".

And yeah, there's some of that stuff that goes on.

I'm a conservative (mostly), but I'm not in the habit of defending the indefensible, and you sure as Hell won't find me in Trump's corner.
Same with me. I'm not a Trump fan by any stretch. I voted "not Hillary".

Conservatives have made blunders aplenty. Barry Goldwater would be turning over desks and driving the Republican senators out of the capitol building with a whip if he came alive and saw all the ridiculous crap these Republican idiots have been up to over the past twenty years.

I dropped out of the Republican Party back when Bush Junior was elected and I never went back. I'm more libertarian anyway, and I see a lot of people heading that direction. But like I said, I'll give Trump a chance to show me he can walk his talk...but I don't have to like the arrogant bastard.
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I voted for Gary Johnson.

I knew it wouldn't count at all, but I couldn't bring myself to vote for either Clinton or Trump.
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Instead of "free stuff", lets just call it, "gifts from people who work so you don't have to", or a more PC, "Advances on future tax refunds from earned income credit".

If you don't embody controversy, what you say will become just another part of the media driven culture of stifling thought and debate about issues.
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Instead of "free stuff", lets just call it, "gifts from people who work so you don't have to", or a more PC, "Advances on future tax refunds from earned income credit".
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I voted for Gary Johnson.

I knew it wouldn't count at all, but I couldn't bring myself to vote for either Clinton or Trump.
Ditto here.

I am cautiously optimistic about Trump

I'm really enjoying watching the Democratic party and "progressives" going into anaphylactic shock over Clinton losing.

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Ditto here.

I am cautiously optimistic about Trump

I'm really enjoying watching the Democratic party and "progressives" going into anaphylactic shock over Clinton losing.
It's dee-lish....
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Ditto here.

I am cautiously optimistic about Trump
I'm trying to be optimistic... but it's harder every day. Truthfully I've never liked the guy, and I consider it some pretty grim commentary on the state of our country that he was on the ballot in the first place.

Still, he's the President, and if he manages to do what could objectively be seen as "a good job", it's a win for all of us, so I want him to do that.

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I'm really enjoying watching the Democratic Party and "progressives" going into anaphylactic shock over Clinton losing.
I remember watching live footage from the Clinton campaign headquarters and seeing the despair on the faces of all the young people there and feeling really badly for them. After all, I remember how painful -- yet necessary -- it was to shed that youthful idealism.

Still, I wasn't sad that Clinton lost; in fact, I was pretty tickled by it.

But then I realized that Trump won, so that didn't last long. It was kind of like "LOL OMG this is so funny WAIT WTF HAVE WE DONE?!?"
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Ditto here.

I am cautiously optimistic about Trump

I'm really enjoying watching the Democratic party and "progressives" going into anaphylactic shock over Clinton losing.
Me to, it's funny watching all the liberal national news people attack Trump all day and make fools of themselves.
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Ah, but for this to matter to you, you must believe there is no middle ground. That only black and white exist. Married and divorced.

Well, if you've ever exposed yourself to any form of mysticism - whether Eastern or Catholic or Jewish or some flavors of mainstream Christianity - you will be told, more frequently than you'll be told just about anything else - that life rarely exists and certainly does not thrive at the two extremes...but instead, is vibrant and alive in the rainbow world in between.

I have low self-esteem, how do I get it high? That's black-and-white. The colorful approach is to have none at all - that is - just give up self-rating completely. Care not whether you are a good person or not - focus only on your DEEDS. And a deed, unlike yourself, is a fleeting thing. Oops, that deed wasn't useful. No problem, that's in the past now, and I'll make the next one a good deed.

Married or divorced? How about single? The colorful place in between. I was with a woman, we had a legal entanglement and thus we were married. We ended that, in a legal process called "divorce". Note that the word "divorce" refers to the legal process - not the people who went through it. I "am not" divorced. I, however, have been divorced - which only means I went through the process - not that it somehow became a fixed part of my psyche.

And so it goes. Do not claim you "are" married, divorced, left, right, whatever. These are behaviors and we all should vary our behaviors.

I do not think the 'nation' is left or right - I think most people in it are not attached to either side, but when you get two incapable people running for president, it adds fuel to the fires of those who DO think it matters a lot.

Me? In all the administrations I've lived through, the only one who made decisions that I had to adapt to was the last one. And I don't think he was wrong for doing them. And I figured it was a one-time thing.


The country will remain divided as long as we believe that "the truth" exists and that there is value in judging everything good/bad.

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I'm don't believe in moral relativism. There is good and there is bad. There is right and wrong. I believe that we must have a set and fixed constitution and laws to anchor our society through times of strife. As soon as you start changing laws just for the sake of pacifying some small segment of society, or to fit the latest cultural fads or trends, then those laws mean nothing...society has no fixed point of reference off which to judge rignt from wrong.
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