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Turns out that you can't spends years weaving a narrative of persistent victimization that involves essentially telling an entire cross-section of your population that -- by sole virtue of their political affiliation (or hey, maybe even the color of their skin) -- that they're irredeemably racist and misogynist w/o having them rally against your platform of free stuff and identity politics.
I had a few arguments with Democrats before the election and I will say that afterwards their attitude had changed.

Firstly, they failed to accept that no matter how great they thought Clinton was and no matter how fabricated the smear campaign against her was, the American public did not want her.

Secondly, when they wondered how decent Republicans could vote for Trump, I put it to then to decide who they would vote for if the election had been Ted Cruz (R) vs Donald Trump (D).

Clearly, Trump is not a popular President and far less popular than his party.

The third point I struggled with is that most people do not particularly care about identity politics. Instead of criticizing Trump for being mean and unfair with his Muslim ban (which gives the impression that he is strong and more aligned with most Republicans), they should attack him for being incompetent at putting legislation together (which would make him look weak and as though he is letting down his base).

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The market is forward looking - not sure why, but hoping to keep things going until the **** actually hits the fan. Gotta remember how bad things were when Obama came in. The USA is in pretty good shape when russia put trump into the white house.

Everytime trump opens his mouth, its always garbage. Easily the dumbest and wimpiest whiney little ***** to ever get into the oval office. He's still boosting about his electoral # as if they were the best... which they are not. Then he said they were best republican since Reagan - which they are not again. He's got mental problems combined with his narcissism. That makes him a very very dangerous person who can have a totally meltdown and then launch our nukes in a few minutes.

The guy has NO sense of reality. He whines everyday about the "media" - well, that is part of the foundation of the USA to have freedom of the press to make sure the govt. is doing its job. When the GOP senate refuses to look into the Russian interference... take note. When so many people in Trump's cabinet has so MANY russian connections... take note. When the White House tells the FBI to stop looking into the Russian interference and ties with russia... take note. (FBI said "no"). There is no desire of them to help working class America... but they are doing things that hurt workers, the disabled and the elderly. These things will actually hurt the economy.

The lies about our military, which is the most expensive in the world. NOBODY has navy as big as ours - COMBINED. WE have more carriers than everyone else COMBINED (11/12 Super carriers alone - that nobody has)

trump is a name-brand thing, that is it. He's actually a failure in business, but because of his name - he gets people to invest in his schemes. US banks and stopped lending him money for years since he has a hard time paying them back... doesn't seem so billionaire to me. If he had nothing to hide... where are his tax returns? (You better not say "audit" because trump has shown proof of an audit and also - an audit doesn't stop someone from releasing their taxes returns". These are things called lies... gas lighting... He's a 3x cheater - on all 3 of his wives. That should make anyone think "This guy has no honor, no truth".

The number of people coming to the USA for vacation, see the sights, etc... tourists (not terrorists) has gone done noticeably... there are 8million people in the USA that works in that field.

Look how he uses his LIMITED vocabulary... its basically words like: Good, bad, unfair, sad, you know what I'm talking about. He doesn't really say much of anything - he says the words (says it like it is) and leaves them open for people to fill in their own ideas. He says "trust me"... like the cheater he is... What has he shown to be truthful or that he knows what he's talking about? He will be gone, hopefully before he gets us all killed... Pence is in a position to take over. But I think the whole-russian hacking and espionage back door deals with the trump campaign and the huge effort of the GOP to ignore and try to cover up all these ties to Putin, his cyber network and more will be the downfall of them all. We also suffer too - by having the first traitor president.

His stupidity, his lies, and his crazy ideas makes America look... stupid. We're losing our status as a world leader because you have to be a FOOL to follow a country that has a bigoted idiot at the top.
The only reason people gives a damn about the USA is that we have about 5000 nukes... we are a war country.
What a waste.

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About the riots in Sweden... uh... Trump lied about that... He said "The riots that happened yesterday". The CNN article you posted is talking about a riot that happens days after he left... and its not clear who the rioters are as its in a poor section of town which has low employment. As in the USA, racist attacks are on the rise - a racist "president" of the USA can and does make things worse.

You cannot claim a person is telling the truth when he was talking about an event in the past that DID NOT happen vs. something that happens in the future. That is not validation.

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Failed to accept? The fact that a candidate as flawed as Hillary got this close to the election despite a decades long negative ad barrage tells me most thinking liberals didn't think much of her chances to win against a real candidate like Cruz..
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The third point I struggled with is that most people do not particularly care about identity politics. Instead of criticizing Trump for being mean and unfair with his Muslim ban (which gives the impression that he is strong and more aligned with most Republicans), they should attack him for being incompetent at putting legislation together (which would make him look weak and as though he is letting down his base).
But when you do you are attacked for being a "liberal" or screaming Islamophobia!

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About the riots in Sweden... uh... Trump lied about that... He said "The riots that happened yesterday". The CNN article you posted is talking about a riot that happens days after he left... and its not clear who the rioters are as its in a poor section of town which has low employment. As in the USA, racist attacks are on the rise - a racist "president" of the USA can and does make things worse.
Come on TaDor, this crap's been going on in Sweden for awhile. Trump's comments just let the cat out of the bag. You have to remember, he gets information outside the filtered stuff we get. And you pretty well know who the rioters are. (Was it you that mentioned "rug sweeping" by spouses of waywards? Its curious how some folks here condemn covering up, excusing, and looking the other way, when it comes to dealing with the behavior or a wayward spouse but promote it when dealing with selected groups--and label those who say the "king ain't wearing no clothes")
Again, isn't the main problem with Trump is that he wants to deal with illegal immigration? Or put it another way. If he'd take illegal immigration or undocumented immigrates, however you want to term it, off the table, would the left still have as big a problem with him.
Regarding the rise in racist attacks, I haven't noticed. Perhaps its been obscured by riots, rent-a-mob, related injuries and property destruction, and the hooping and hollering by the left.

If you don't embody controversy, what you say will become just another part of the media driven culture of stifling thought and debate about issues.

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Since the stock market is forward looking, it seems investors are expecting good things to come from Trump. Am I wrong?
No, you're not wrong.

Of course that doesn't mean that good things are actually going to happen, but it does indicate investor sentiment is positive.

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Well that's just great.

I don't have nearly enough .223 for this crap.
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Since the stock market is forward looking, it seems investors are expecting good things to come from Trump. Am I wrong?
Wall Street has always favored Republican presidents....always. If you noticed, Obama stopped giving public addresses about the economy after he was in office for three or four months. That's because his administration noticed very quickly that any timed he opened his yapper about the economy the stock market took a dip.
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Well that's just great.

I don't have nearly enough .223 for this crap.
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Come on! The green tip .556 is the ONLY way to go.

Grow a pair!

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It's all prediction so I don't buy into, "bad things are going to happen under Trump" either. With the large element of wishful thinking for his failure, incorporated in the predictions made by Trump's detractors, I'd rather let my forecasters be the investors with their own money on the line.

If you don't embody controversy, what you say will become just another part of the media driven culture of stifling thought and debate about issues.
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About the riots in Sweden... uh... Trump lied about that... He said "The riots that happened yesterday". The CNN article you posted is talking about a riot that happens days after he left... and its not clear who the rioters are as its in a poor section of town which has low employment. As in the USA, racist attacks are on the rise - a racist "president" of the USA can and does make things worse.

You cannot claim a person is telling the truth when he was talking about an even in the past that DID NOT happen vs. something that happens in the future. That is not validation.
Trump didn't lie. I'm sure when he said that stuff he actually thought he was telling the truth.

I've said this before...Trump has a broken parking break on his mouth. His spastic piehole has always been his downfall. He needs to learn to be statesman. He needs to learn to STFU and listen to his advisers and get his facts straight before he shoots his mouth off.

The meeting that he spoke at was essentially a rally, and I think Trump was pumped up and jazzed at having all these people cheering him on. Like all narcissists, putting him in front of a crowd like that was like giving crack to a junkie. The more they cheered the more he got pumped, and then his discernment lobe shut down, the parking brake snapped off, and his mouth kicked into afterburner.
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Failed to accept? The fact that a candidate as flawed as Hillary got this close to the election despite a decades long negative ad barrage tells me most thinking liberals didn't think much of her chances to win against a real candidate like Cruz..
Hillary has left a trail of destruction behind her. It all started with Whitewater. I don't recall Trump paying off a woman to spend a year or two in jail for contempt of court because she refused to testify against him regarding his nefarious real estate deals.

Hillary is a disgrace.
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If you call the OM wife an tell her you believe her old man is sleeping with your wife based on your assessment, but he actually sleeps with her two days later, does that make you a lair or just good at judging the direction of things.

If you don't embody controversy, what you say will become just another part of the media driven culture of stifling thought and debate about issues.
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