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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 02-23-2017, 09:47 AM Thread Starter
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Milo...

So, I thought the current political smashing of Milo Yiannopoulos was worthy of some discussion. If you're not aware, he is a "Provocateur" and a libertine. Milo is a gay Conservative, who has been waging a cultural war for the advancement of Freedom of Speech. He says a lot of things that are intended to evoke reactions, that's his schtick.

This week, a concerted effort by many media outlets to label Milo as a pedophile, or at least the kind of guy who advocates for pedophilia.

Here's an article sort of detailing this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.222403fb2c96


So, what are your thoughts on this? Smear campaign? Justified response? Is he a pedophile apologist? Have you seen the actual videos, in context, not edited to a soundbite?

ETA--For context, Milo was molested by older men as a young teen-


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post #2 of 13 (permalink) Old 02-23-2017, 09:59 AM
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Re: Milo...

I think he has the freedom to say what he wants.

I think he does not have the freedom to be immune to consequences of what he says.

If you're going to intentionally walk on the edge, eventually you'll stumble.
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When a society loses it's foundation for what is absolute Truth, things like this are bound to happen.
After all, if our own various opinions for what is right or wrong IS the last word, what do you expect?

Get a thousand people in the room with a thousand different opinions on what is right and what you have left is chaos.
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Re: Milo...

Turns out he's not the guy to carry the banner.

It's a shame, too, because now liberals have something that they can (justifiably) point and laugh at in an attempt to (unjustifiably) wholly disregard the conservative perspective.

Still, I have to wonder... how many gay/bi/trans folks would echo his statements if they felt they'd face no backlash for it? I read somewhere that George Takei has said similar things before.

And let's not forget that Lena Dunham has been more or less forgiven for her admitted molestation of her younger sister.

I'm tempted to bring up Roman Polanski and Woody Allen as well, especially since there seem to be tons of actors falling over themselves to work w/ them.

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Re: Milo...

I want to add some additional context, in case the folks here at TAM haven't seen the video of what he said. There were 3 instances of discussion of this topic, which have resulted in the current media firestorm.

The first was on the Joe Rogan Experience. You can watch the clip in context here:


The second was on the "Drunken Peasants Podcast". You can watch the clip here:
https://youtu.be/jAZauKY4004?t=88

The third, and most recent was on Bill Maher. You can watch the clip here:


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Turns out he's not the guy to carry the banner.

It's a shame, too, because now liberals have something that they can (justifiably) point and laugh at in an attempt to (unjustifiably) wholly disregard the conservative perspective.

Still, I have to wonder... how many gay/bi/trans folks would echo his statements if they felt they'd face no backlash for it? I read somewhere that George Takei has said similar things before.

And let's not forget that Lena Dunham has been more or less forgiven for her admitted molestation of her younger sister.

I'm tempted to bring up Roman Polanski and Woody Allen as well, especially since there seem to be tons of actors falling over themselves to work w/ them.
Oh, the Left flat out apologizes for their ADMITTED pedophiles. Whereas, Milo is merely a victim of such people as far as I can tell. (If someone has some evidence otherwise, I'd be glad to see it and revise my position)

You mention Roman Polanski, who was defended by Hollywood--Meryl Streep comes to mind as actually saying he shouldn't go to prison...

Takei actually said basically the same things as Milo, RE his abuser(s) and that can be verified...

Salon has actually run pro-pedophile articles. Which they mysteriously deleted just before this anti-Milo campaign began... but the Wayback Machine exists for a reason.

What is that saying about throwing stones and glass houses?

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FFS, quit posting **** to make it a left/right issue.

Guy is an asshat, period. So is Pulanski. Their politics don't matter.
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FFS, quit posting **** to make it a left/right issue.

Guy is an asshat, period. So is Pulanski. Their politics don't matter.
That is obviously not the case however. We can demonstrate that as long as you fall on the correct side of the political spectrum, you are safe.

Now, is it your contention that we should equate Pulanski and Milo? Do you equate pedophile victims with pedophiles? Or do you equate people who say things that are provocative with people who abuse children?

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they don't need to be equally repulsive to both be asshats.

Nor does being a victim give them free reign.

But, please, continue on with yet another of your straw-man arguments.
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FFS, quit posting **** to make it a left/right issue.
It's made in to a left/right issue when people on one side of the aisle seek to use it as THE thing to completely disregard someone's political position while simultaneously defending people on their own side of the aisle who are essentially saying the same things.

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Guy is an asshat, period. So is Pulanski. Their politics don't matter.
Until they're made to matter.

Still, I agree with you -- they shouldn't matter.


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It's made in to a left/right issue when people on one side of the aisle seek to use it as THE thing to completely disregard someone's political position while simultaneously defending people on their own side of the aisle who are essentially saying the same things.



Until they're made to matter.

Still, I agree with you -- they shouldn't matter.
Thanks Gus, this was a much better response than my own. Completely agree.

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Re: Milo...

I do not like his lifestyle.....at all.

I do like his vote. Voting for conservatives.

That makes me a hypocrite. Of a lesser kind.

I walk a straight line, very straight. However, my eyes do not ignore what is going on around me. I live amidst ~6 billion souls...... ~12 billion soles. Some, very different from me.

Cannons to the Left of Me. Cannons to the Right....into the Valley of Death, I Charge.

Charge Forward... my pitiful lot.

This....This is the nub of the stick that pokes me in the eye when the light of day energizes my optic nerve....SunCMars.... The Allegory of the Cave--> On this, I did a '180' and stepped out.

The Lion in Winter. Invictus..By Will, Shall... Saved from harm by my friends.
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Re: Milo...

If a heterosexual man said this about 13 year old girls, he would be definitely labeled a pedophile, whether he was a victim in the past or not.
First he was edited, then it was just his "British sense of humour" and now he's a victim of his past.

Yes, maybe nobody cared before regarding these comments, but now he's got enemies and now it's a big deal.








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