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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 02-28-2017, 07:30 PM Thread Starter
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it's not a good start when they can't spell marijuana correctly in the title
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You have to get 100,000 signatures within 30 days to get a response from the WH in 60 days. The response can be and likely to be (given the AG) a rejection. The petition to request President Trump release his tax returns got 750K in 20 days and ended with over a million in 60 days. The response from the WH? They rejected the petition.

AG Sessions has already requested more drug LEO to go after states that passed laws that legalized pot for recreational use. So much for stares rights.

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Here is something I found about the release of presidential tax records.

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Individual income tax returns — including those of public figures — are private information, protected by law from unauthorized disclosure. Indeed, the Internal Revenue Service is barred from releasing any taxpayer information whatsoever, except to authorized agencies and individuals.
Like all other citizens, U.S. presidents enjoy this protection of their privacy. Since the early 1970s, however, most presidents have chosen to release their returns publicly.

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I just don't see the importance in a president or candidate releasing their returns. I think it's a slippery slope to think we can force him to do something against the laws of the country.


As far as states rights, they went out the window with the American Civil War of 1860 - 65. Since then, the federal government has allowed states to take care of some things, but not what they deem most important to the general population. However, if states decide something is legal, the feds should consider it legal. The only way it would not be, is if there are other states who do not consider the "thing" legal and trafficking and sales takes place, or employees of industries deemed illegal live in that state where it is illegal.

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Here is something I found about the release of presidential tax records.



I just don't see the importance in a president or candidate releasing their returns. I think it's a slippery slope to think we can force him to do something against the laws of the country.


As far as states rights, they went out the window with the American Civil War of 1860 - 65. Since then, the federal government has allowed states to take care of some things, but not what they deem most important to the general population. However, if states decide something is legal, the feds should consider it legal. The only way it would not be, is if there are other states who do not consider the "thing" legal and trafficking and sales takes place, or employees of industries deemed illegal live in that state where it is illegal.

That's my opinion.


If you want to work at any level as cabinet member (including a secretary position) releasing of ones tax returns is a requirement. So, sure there is no requirement for President (or then candidate) Trump to have released his tax returns. Why then do cabinet members have to do so? Oh yea, it's called vetting possible conflicts of interest. Sorry, I don't agree that asking to have him/her vetted for the same potential conflicts is not important. It has not been a slippery slope since 1972.

Needless to say, the Feds will likely make some challenges to these states with legalized pot laws. It will end up in the federal courts. And, maybe 10 years from now the federal prohibition will be challenged in the Supreme Court. If the Supreme Court sides with the states, I see this as a path to legalization nationwide. For me, I could care less about this issue, i have long since given up the indulgences in any intoxicating substance (including alcohol).


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If you want to work at any level as cabinet member (including a secretary position) releasing of ones tax returns is a requirement. So, sure there is no requirement for President (or then candidate) Trump to have released his tax returns. Why then do cabinet members have to do so? Oh yea, it's called vetting possible conflicts of interest. Sorry, I don't agree that asking to have him/her vetted for the same potential conflicts is not important. It has not been a slippery slope since 1972.

Needless to say, the Feds will likely make some challenges to these states with legalized pot laws. It will end up in the federal courts. And, maybe 10 years from now the federal prohibition will be challenged in the Supreme Court. If the Supreme Court sides with the states, I see this as a path to legalization nationwide. For me, I could care less about this issue, i have long since given up the indulgences in any intoxicating substance (including alcohol).


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I suppose a president could be elected that takes his salary from a communist country that believes in slavery and gender subservience, or from some neo-Nazi group. Usually, those things were checked by the press and reported. I suppose we can't know if those newspapers were telling the truth, but then, how could we know any agency isn't making something up or stretching the truth?

So, I don't think the answers are in a tax return. Would it help? I think it would only sway those who hate the person and have little effect on those who like him/her.

Therefore, I don't think it is of much value, unless you want to foment anger and violence.

Edit: I don't use marihuana or J if you prefer or gange or rope or weed or grass or whatever you want to call it, either. For me, it's more of an issue about the power of states to make their own decisions, or their lack of it.

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When I saw the title of this post the first thing that went through my mind was that explains the current state of the federal government.

Many prefer to drown in a pool of their own morality rather than seek the safety of a different morality.
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I suppose a president could be elected that takes his salary from a communist country that believes in slavery and gender subservience, or from some neo-Nazi group. Usually, those things were checked by the press and reported. I suppose we can't know if those newspapers were telling the truth, but then, how could we know any agency isn't making something up or stretching the truth?



So, I don't think the answers are in a tax return. Would it help? I think it would only sway those who hate the person and have little effect on those who like him/her.



Therefore, I don't think it is of much value, unless you want to foment anger and violence.


It is one thing to check things out, it is another to have verified proof, tax returns do ask for sources of income. I again disagree, I think disclosure of financial statements including tax returns lends a lot of value to who a person is. If you want to know an individual's priorities, look at their financials.

Anyway, on the pot issue, this one will take time to decide whether prohibition is still necessary.


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I just don't see the importance in a president or candidate releasing their returns.
Fully agree. The personal income tax disclosure is nothing but a publicity stunt and political scam. And it's a non sequitor for this topic.

1. Tax returns are no ones business and serve no meaningful purpose.

2. Candidates who release them are merely playing a political game with voters to point at the other candidate who doesn't release them. Gullible voters bite on this every campaign.

3. If it's a show stopper for someone don't vote for that candidate.

The weed petition looks to be going up in smoke. 😆

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