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post #46 of 60 (permalink) Old 03-08-2017, 10:32 AM
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To fix the health crisis start by reducing root causes of stress, obesity, and unhealthy foods.

I've spent a couple months working in Germany at our subsidiary there. At 5 pm the place is empty, everyone shows up at 9, 1 hour lunch...

Then at 5 everyone goes out hiking, cycling... Saturday is shopping and Sunday is family time.

There's one aisle of processed foods in a supermarket.

People eat like horses and still are not overweight.

Here...


You cannot out-exercise a bad diet.


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It was going to be guns, regardless of who won.

A single payer-system is not the magic bullet however. It would still require a major overhaul of the USDA to witch-hunt the grain and sugar lobbyists who foist that food pyramid nonsense on people. America needs a complete paradigm shift in the way we understand nutrition.

I'm sure it requires a lot of other things I'm not smart enough to think of as well. I'm not claiming to be a genius, but I know broken when I see it. It's broken now, it was broken then, and the new plan will break it even more.
I disagree. I lost 20-25 pounds in two months about 7 years ago on a white rice, lentil soup, and fruit diet. Some vegetables, too. All were unlimited.

Hardly exercised, either.

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I thought we were in the era of post PC talk?


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Only if one continues to hear what they want to hear...On both sides of the aisle.

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The more I think about it, the more I believe that there are really only two options--either go completely market based or go to the single payer system. This business of picking and choosing from each system ends up with a stupid mess.
It seems easy to understand that a plan that lets me buy medical insurance from insurers across state lines has got to drive down cost. I mean why wouldn't a policy from WellPoint in South Carolina or Alabama be much cheaper than a policy from WellPoint in Georgia; with them being in competition with each other and all.

If you don't embody controversy, what you say will become just another part of the media driven culture of stifling thought and debate about issues.
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I disagree. I lost 20-25 pounds in two months about 7 years ago on a white rice, lentil soup, and fruit diet. Some vegetables, too. All were unlimited.

Hardly exercised, either.
My point is that simply telling people to eat so many servings of bread per day while simultaneously packing that bread full of sugar is not a good strategy for national health.

Ever really look at a piece of Wonderbread? There are no holes. Bread has holes in it where gas pockets form during baking. Wonderbread looks like....foam.

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My point is that simply telling people to eat so many servings of bread per day while simultaneously packing that bread full of sugar is not a good strategy for national health.

Ever really look at a piece of Wonderbread? There are no holes. Bread has holes in it where gas pockets form during baking. Wonderbread looks like....foam.
Have not eaten Wonderbread since the early 70s, when I was a preschooler. Do they still make that stuff?

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It seems easy to understand that a plan that lets me buy medical insurance from insurers across state lines has got to drive down cost. I mean why wouldn't a policy from WellPoint in South Carolina or Alabama be much cheaper than a policy fro WellPoint in Georgia; with them being in competition with each other and all.


This means that all insurance companies will take residence in states with the least regulations, effectively reducing consumer options.


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Have not eaten Wonderbread since the early 70s, when I was a preschooler. Do they still make that stuff?
They do indeed. Very popular with kids because it's loaded with sugar. Really though the same applies to a lot of sandwich bread. Compare a slice any sandwich bread to a slice of a loaf you make yourself. Just visually, you can tell that the stuff from the shelf is bread in name only.

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On two occasions I've done a week in Germany followed within a month by a week cruise. On both occasions I put more weight in Germany.

Portions are immense and everything is cooked in butter. Like lots of butter. Lots of cheeses. There were several times I could not finish my food. Schnitzel the size of a calculus textbook and enough potatoes to feed an army. Or a kilo's worth of sausage. Good stuff.

I believe you, yet my empirical data shows otherwise.
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Have not eaten Wonderbread since the early 70s, when I was a preschooler. Do they still make that stuff?
Love it, once in a while. Supermarket bread has gotten better but much pricier.

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They do indeed. Very popular with kids because it's loaded with sugar. Really though the same applies to a lot of sandwich bread. Compare a slice any sandwich bread to a slice of a loaf you make yourself. Just visually, you can tell that the stuff from the shelf is bread in name only.
Actually I can make pretty good white bread on my Panasonic bread machine... Very healthy and far less sugar and salt.
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They do indeed. Very popular with kids because it's loaded with sugar. Really though the same applies to a lot of sandwich bread. Compare a slice any sandwich bread to a slice of a loaf you make yourself. Just visually, you can tell that the stuff from the shelf is bread in name only.
I do not make bread. I always buy whole grain, when I buy it. Okay, and the occasional baguette.

You know, I do not know how the average household eats. We have always eaten lots of produce here, as well as whole starches and beans.

I do not worry about sugar, other than for teeth.

We do not consume flesh, and I have cut back on our dairy consumption. That element, dairy consumption, is a big factor in my maintaining a normal weight versus being overweight.

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On two occasions I've done a week in Germany followed within a month by a week cruise. On both occasions I put more weight in Germany.

Portions are immense and everything is cooked in butter. Like lots of butter. Lots of cheeses. There were several times I could not finish my food. Schnitzel the size of a calculus textbook and enough potatoes to feed an army. Or a kilo's worth of sausage. Good stuff.

I believe you, yet my empirical data shows otherwise.
I love kartoffeln and krautsalat. Wonderful brot, too.

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I think ahead of any new health care law, congress needs to answer the question: is access to fair (in terms of cost burden) and appropriate health care a right or a privilege?


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RE: the current proposed replacement, I haven't read through all of the things proposed in it. My gut instinct is that I will not like it one bit. My understanding is that it isn't a "repeal" but a "fix". And I'm not a fan of keeping bad legislation. It should be removed completely, and then we can discuss what to do from there. Not that the R's have the sack to do that.

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