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I will diverge from my conservative leanings when it comes to children. All children should be covered until they are 18. They have no say in anything. Maybe it's the Papaw coming out of me.
There are Christian scientists who don't believe in medicine.

A classmate in high school had a 19 pound tumor in her stomach. She looked like she was pregnant....... at a time when good girls didn't.

A few said that her parents were avoiding the doctors due to their religion. And finally they sent her to one.

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There are Christian scientists who don't believe in medicine.

A classmate in high school had a 19 pound tumor in her stomach. She looked like she was pregnant....... at a time when good girls didn't.

A few said that her parents were avoiding the doctors due to their religion. And finally they sent her to one.

And this family was very well to do in class and income.
So sad
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I was given steroids during chemo. I never ate so much in one day. So I rejected it thereafter.

I also rejected codeine when I made the connection between codeine and constipation. No ONE and NOTHING is going get between me and my bowel movements!
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I am Canadian, we have a "single payer" system. That means that the insurance industry is not in the least involved. The government runs the health insurance system. Consequently, if I need a hospital or doctor, I simply go without considering cost. The ACA and its replacement keeps insurance executives in the top tax bracket. It still relies on the insurance industry to do its dirty work. What, pray tell, is a pencil pusher earning six figures a year, have to do with making someone well. All they are is overpaid leeches and 10,000 of them dead at the bottom of a lake is a damn good start. AND these leeches are what make health insurance fall apart. Instead of paying for procedure, the health insurance industry pays executives. Think about that when your kid is bleeding and you show up at an ER, only to be told that since you are uninsured, or your kid has a pre-existing condition, they will require money up front. The executive doesn't have to think about that. Would it not be better to have all Americans treated at a doctors office or a hospital with no charge and put the insurance company executives and middle managers out on the unemployment line.

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I've been waiting any number of years for folks to stop blaming the sick consumers for the perennially increasing cost in health care and start looking at the real cause. Its out there or it wouldn't be happening.

If you don't embody controversy, what you say will become just another part of the media driven culture of stifling thought and debate about issues.
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Healthcare in the USA is profit-based, thats the #1 reason. So unless you have money, you will go broke or die.

trumpcare is easily far worse than the ACA. But that is no shock.

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Healthcare in the USA is profit-based, thats the #1 reason. So unless you have money, you will go broke or die.

trumpcare is easily far worse than the ACA. But that is no shock.
Disagree - it is in the insurers best interests to minimize costs. Government doesn't do that, remember the $20,000 toilet seat on an aircraft carrier. Profit IS NOT the reason health care is so expensive. Tort and bureaucracy are far more relevant. And the fact that virtually everyone goes to the dr for the sniffles

@Kivlor or someone published some math on it, it is like <<5% of our spend comes out as profits. Hardly enough to change the underlying fact that we can't afford it.
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Healthcare in the USA is profit-based, thats the #1 reason. So unless you have money, you will go broke or die.

trumpcare is easily far worse than the ACA. But that is no shock.
RE: Insurance Companies; a profit margin of ~4.5% isn't exactly exorbitant.

Of course health care is profit based. If you want to have healthcare that isn't, you're welcome to go become a doctor, spend years and tens of thousands of dollars doing so, and then give it away for free. Taking the profit out of it sounds like a great way to encourage people to stop going into the medical field, and for those in it to look for a new line of work...

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RE: Insurance Companies; a profit margin of ~4.5% isn't exactly exorbitant.

Of course health care is profit based. If you want to have healthcare that isn't, you're welcome to go become a doctor, spend years and tens of thousands of dollars doing so, and then give it away for free. Taking the profit out of it sounds like a great way to encourage people to stop going into the medical field, and for those in it to look for a new line of work...
Tons of people try to get into medical and dental school in France, where doctors and dentists make a lot less money than here.

If you have a calling for something, I don't think you will give up that easily.

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Disagree - it is in the insurers best interests to minimize costs. Government doesn't do that, remember the $20,000 toilet seat on an aircraft carrier. Profit IS NOT the reason health care is so expensive. Tort and bureaucracy are far more relevant. And the fact that virtually everyone goes to the dr for the sniffles

@Kivlor or someone published some math on it, it is like <<5% of our spend comes out as profits. Hardly enough to change the underlying fact that we can't afford it.
If you fudge costs and expenses accordingly and staff up for 50% utilization, of course it will be expensive....

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RE: Insurance Companies; a profit margin of ~4.5% isn't exactly exorbitant.

Of course health care is profit based. If you want to have healthcare that isn't, you're welcome to go become a doctor, spend years and tens of thousands of dollars doing so, and then give it away for free. Taking the profit out of it sounds like a great way to encourage people to stop going into the medical field, and for those in it to look for a new line of work...
Profits are directly oppositional to care. It will NEVER be in the insurance companies best interest to pay for your care. They also are not the ones providing the service, so I am not sure what minimizing costs means except not to pay for sick people. You've summed up free-market ideology, bit that's not what insurance companies provide. Free market would be no third party payment at all.

We pay the most and get the worst results, yet you are arguing that there is not a problem. Or the problem is solved by giving insurance companies more leverage to charge sick and disabled people more. Sidenote - sick and disabled people are not usually very rich.

We pay the most and get the least. The only way to make it profitable is to deny care to sick people.

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Was having pain in my neck. My Dr ordered a MRI. Insurance company said I had to have a XRAY done first. Of course XRAY didn't show anything, then had to fight insurance company for the MRI. The MRI showed extensive damage in my neck. Went to see an orthopedic surgeon wound up talking to a young physicians assistant at full cost only to be to to try physical therapy.
Exactly my experiences and my complaint. My wife and I both injured our knees during past year. Both times, we were both forced to first have a $200 set of x-rays even though we already KNEW that we didn't break bones. She went on to have an MRI at a modern facility in another country for equivalent of US $50. I had mine done in the US for $1,000 plus $400 for the physician to "interpret" the results. When I met with him, it was clear that he was viewing the results for the first time. This took all of five minutes.

My punch line: I'm one of the lucky ones that has health insurance or else my total costs would have been higher. I had to pay all costs because my deductible is $1,800.
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Healthcare in the USA is profit-based, thats the #1 reason. So unless you have money, you will go broke or die.

trumpcare is easily far worse than the ACA. But that is no shock.
ACA is going tits up. Then what? If there is no intervention obama care WILL FAIL.
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ACA is going tits up. Then what? If there is no intervention obama care WILL FAIL.
I will clue you in on what is going on. ACA was designed to fail. It is one of the larger entitlements, so it will be hard to get rid of it. (Read: we are going to die if ACA is repealed.) When anything fails in the US, what happens? Of yeah, of course, the government steps in and takes over. Wallah, single payer system.

One thing I know about government: it is horribly inefficient. Maybe Europe or Canada are not as inefficient for health care as the US will be, but here, watch out. Government run health care will be way more expensive for the same level of care we had 10 years ago. So it will be trade off, $ versus service. I really hope I don't get really sick....

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