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post #16 of 31 (permalink) Old 03-16-2017, 12:36 PM
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Re: can't be red, white and blue in Iowa

No, I was giving an example of how a new story can be correct but misleading.

I have no idea what happened in this particular case

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Sorry @uhtred - you are grasping at straws to find information that supports this as blatantly racist, when in fact, no such information exists, because the dress up day had NOTHING to do with racism.


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No, I was giving an example of how a new story can be correct but misleading.

I have no idea what happened in this particular case
well, then you should admit that there is really nothing to see here.... Because you are implying that there is/was likely racism.
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The swastika was originally a Buddhist symbol and is still used on temples (usually with the arms in the opposite direction but few people notice that).

So, its technically true that people are offended by a Buddhist symbol. The unstated part is that the symbol was cooped by a horrible genocide regime and THAT is of course what people really object to.

I was just giving an example where its possible to not lie, but by omission give completely the wrong impression. News organizations on both sides are doing this very frequently these days.
Isn't the swastika a very widespread symbol, and a part of European heritage as well? I thought that was why the Germans used it... (Finland and Ukraine come to mind)

With that in mind, it's more of a coincidence that it is used in Buddhism and Hinduism...

ETA: I actually know some Hindus who wear this as a symbol on them. I've seen people ask, but no one ever take offense. Once you know that this is being used as a symbol in RE: Hinduism and not associated with Nazism or support for Nazis, then there is no reason to be offended. Most folks are concerned with the meaning behind the symbol, more than the mere image itself.
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Re: can't be red, white and blue in Iowa

I'm not intending to imply anything. If there was nothing more going on that what was stated in the article, then I think the objections were unreasonable.



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well, then you should admit that there is really nothing to see here.... Because you are implying that there is/was likely racism.
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Re: can't be red, white and blue in Iowa

Apparently the students and team of this school wears red/white/blue to many, if not all, of their games. They did not do it to target the one school and team that they were playing that night.

I just don't get the hypersensitivity that led to this being a big story.

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Re: can't be red, white and blue in Iowa

There is a more to this story, as usual.

North high school is a racially diverse school with a lot of refugee children in their student population.

West Valley High is a school that has been noted for "deep racial disparities" among their student body, with more white students in AP classes, more white students participating in extracurricular and teams, and less white students labeled as special needs and less white students being referred for discipline.

At the game, North High school students heard *some* of the west valley high school students shouting racial slurs and chanting "Deport Them" but not a majority of the west valley students.

Because of the atmosphere created by the current administration; because of the multitude of slurs and insults said by 45, documented by the press, and apparently excused by those who voted for him; because of his first attempt to ban entry to the US from majority Muslim countries which also includes the desperate refugees who fled war, violence and starvation, that was a poorly disguised Muslim ban (as he promised in his campaign speeches) .... the wearing of red white and blue from a school with a track record of unacceptable racial disparities combined with racial slurs and chants from some of those "patriotic" students, their attire was seen as an extension of the bigotry espoused by the current administration and NOT a reflection of American values.

West valley was not asked to apologize, north high school did not make an official complaint.

If you're upset that the wearing of red, white, and blue has become synonymous to 45's thinly veiled racist and bigoted policies...blame all the idiots who voted him into office, for it is 45 who disgraces the meaning of the American colors, not the sensitivity of others.

Anytime I see a red hat I assume the wearer to be a deplorable...or a self indulgent individual who is more concerned with their wallet, yet sadly mistake that this administration will benefit said wallet, than with the direction and state of this country and by extension this planet. .... Except for @EleGirl, I haven't figured out how to classify and rationalize her voting for Trump because she is neither a deplorable, nor self indulgent, nor oblivious to the state of the country and planet. Elegirl is an enigma.

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There is a more to this story, as usual.

North high school is a racially diverse school with a lot of refugee children in their student population.

West Valley High is a school that has been noted for "deep racial disparities" among their student body, with more white students in AP classes, more white students participating in extracurricular and teams, and less white students labeled as special needs and less white students being referred for discipline.

At the game, North High school students heard *some* of the west valley high school students shouting racial slurs and chanting "Deport Them" but not a majority of the west valley students.

Because of the atmosphere created by the current administration; because of the multitude of slurs and insults said by 45, documented by the press, and apparently excused by those who voted for him; because of his first attempt to ban entry to the US from majority Muslim countries which also includes the desperate refugees who fled war, violence and starvation, that was a poorly disguised Muslim ban (as he promised in his campaign speeches) .... the wearing of red white and blue from a school with a track record of unacceptable racial disparities combined with racial slurs and chants from some of those "patriotic" students, their attire was seen as an extension of the bigotry espoused by the current administration and NOT a reflection of American values.

West valley was not asked to apologize, north high school did not make an official complaint.

If you're upset that the wearing of red, white, and blue has become synonymous to 45's thinly veiled racist and bigoted policies...blame all the idiots who voted him into office, for it is 45 who disgraces the meaning of the American colors, not the sensitivity of others.

Anytime I see a red hat I assume the wearer to be a deplorable...or a self indulgent individual who is more concerned with their wallet, yet sadly mistake that this administration will benefit said wallet, than with the direction and state of this country and by extension this planet. .... Except for @EleGirl, I haven't figured out how to classify and rationalize her voting for Trump because she is neither a deplorable, nor self indulgent, nor oblivious to the state of the country and planet. Elegirl is an enigma.
I did not vote for Trump. Neither did I vote for Hillary. I only voted for local items on the ballot. I do not like either of them. IMHO, they both scare me.

All I have done on TAM is to talk about my understanding of why about half the country did vote for Trump.

Do you have a link to the site where you found 'the rest of the story'?

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I did not vote for Trump. Neither did I vote for Hillary. I only voted for local items on the ballot. I do not like either of them. IMHO, they both scare me.

All I have done on TAM is to talk about my understanding of why about half the country did vote for Trump.

Do you have a link to the site where you found 'the rest of the story'?

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I did not vote for Trump. Neither did I vote for Hillary. I only voted for local items on the ballot. I do not like either of them. IMHO, they both scare me.

All I have done on TAM is to talk about my understanding of why about half the country did vote for Trump.

Do you have a link to the site where you found 'the rest of the story'?
C'mon Elegirl, isn't that the theme though. If you don't agree with a certain viewpoint, then you are clearly the enemy, a deplorable, etc... you know, the whole "Tolerant as long as you agree with me" approach...
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From your link:

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The students opted to issue an apology without being forced or asked to do so, and many attendees said the shouting of racial slurs (and not the wearing of patriotic colors) was what fueled the dispute.

so based on snopes, there were no shouting of racial slurs, which is exactly what the mainstream media refuses to mention. So, back to my original point, if wearing red white and blue is racist, I guess we need to remove the flag from everywhere and everyone must now wear grey, as to not offend those who can get disgruntled over wearing of any other color. This is just beyond ridiculous.

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Nowhere is it reported that racial slurs were used or anything like that. Basically the offended group assumed that the reason for the red white and blue was to insult them, then they took offense. Utter nonsense.
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Nowhere? What about the article that you posted?
The only mention of racial slurs is that there are accusations on social media that this happened. The obvious followup question would be: are the allegations coming from witnesses, or people commenting on it, like us?

Currently there is no evidence that any racial slurs were thrown about, and this is substantiated by the student council's apology, which doesn't cover any mean-spirited language but only wearing red white and blue colors. One would think the STUCO would have been much more quick to apologize for racial epithets than for clothing inspired by the flag of their nation.
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If you're upset that the wearing of red, white, and blue has become synonymous to 45's thinly veiled racist and bigoted policies...blame all the idiots who voted him into office, for it is 45 who disgraces the meaning of the American colors, not the sensitivity of others.
If you're upset about the violent left-wing rioters, blame all of the idiots who supported Hilary Clinton. They're the ones responsible, not just the bad actors. They all disgrace the 1st Amendment and the concept of lawful protest.

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Anytime I see a red hat I assume the wearer to be a deplorable...or a self indulgent individual who is more concerned with their wallet, yet sadly mistake that this administration will benefit said wallet, than with the direction and state of this country and by extension this planet. .... Except for @EleGirl, I haven't figured out how to classify and rationalize her voting for Trump because she is neither a deplorable, nor self indulgent, nor oblivious to the state of the country and planet. Elegirl is an enigma.


What does this say about you as a person? I could make some comments but @EleGirl would have to ban me, so I'll just leave that up to you, and everyone else reading this to consider quietly to yourselves.
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The only mention of racial slurs is that there are accusations on social media that this happened. The obvious followup question would be: are the allegations coming from witnesses, or people commenting on it, like us?

Currently there is no evidence that any racial slurs were thrown about, and this is substantiated by the student council's apology, which doesn't cover any mean-spirited language but only wearing red white and blue colors. One would think the STUCO would have been much more quick to apologize for racial epithets than for clothing inspired by the flag of their nation.
None of that changes the fact that allegations of racial slurs were published. I was not discussing the allegation themselves, just the fact that the member I was responding to said there were NO published reports of them, despite the fact that the article that he posted referenced them.

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Valley has something like a 26% Hispanic/Asian enrollment where North has something close to 37% Hispanic/Asian enrollment with both > the state average of ~22%.

I sense a tad bit of hypersensitivity.

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