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post #1 of 31 (permalink) Old 03-15-2017, 12:31 PM Thread Starter
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can't be red, white and blue in Iowa

Apparently red white and blue is racist in Iowa, never knew:
Iowa HS apologizes to more diverse opposing school after student section wears U.S.A apparel | | USA Today High School Sports

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Re: can't be red, white and blue in Iowa

Dressing in our nations colors and saying disrespectful (racist) things are two different things. Wasn't the opposing team "American" no matter what their ethnic races? Very bizarre....
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It gets more bizarre every day.

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I can't help but notice that there is no evidence of any racial slurs, or anything offensive. Just that wearing red white and blue was meant as a slight, without any documentation of this, just an assumption from unnamed slanderers...
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You would need to hear the entire story to have a fair opinion.


I'm remembering the news article about a couple who got long prison sentences for waving confederate flags and insulting children at a party. Seemed pretty extreme until another news article mentioned that they also pointed shot guns at the children and parents and threatened to kill them.

I don't know if there is more to this story or not. Most of the time though when a story seems outrageous, there is more than is described in the original article.
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You would need to hear the entire story to have a fair opinion.


I'm remembering the news article about a couple who got long prison sentences for waving confederate flags and insulting children at a party. Seemed pretty extreme until another news article mentioned that they also pointed shot guns at the children and parents and threatened to kill them.

I don't know if there is more to this story or not. Most of the time though when a story seems outrageous, there is more than is described in the original article.
Nowhere is it reported that racial slurs were used or anything like that. Basically the offended group assumed that the reason for the red white and blue was to insult them, then they took offense. Utter nonsense.
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You would need to hear the entire story to have a fair opinion.


I'm remembering the news article about a couple who got long prison sentences for waving confederate flags and insulting children at a party. Seemed pretty extreme until another news article mentioned that they also pointed shot guns at the children and parents and threatened to kill them.

I don't know if there is more to this story or not. Most of the time though when a story seems outrageous, there is more than is described in the original article.
Indeed. But if I am to be convinced that something nefarious happened, then it is incumbent upon those telling the story to provide the evidence of such antics. We don't have that, and so the presumption is that there is nothing more, until they provide something more substantial.

With what we have, let us suppose that it was intended as a slight... what does that say about the students they were antagonizing? That they are offended by the US flag? That they place their home nations (or those of their parents) above their own?
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Honestly, this statement by the student council is exactly what is wrong with society today:

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To the Students and Staff of North High School:

It has been brought to our attention that the decision by the Valley High School student section to wear U.S.A. apparel at our game last night was offensive to members of your community and fan base. We are deeply sorry if we have offended anyone in any way. We have traditionally dressed in such a fashion for great games such as the one last night. Everyone here at Valley has immense respect not only for your team and players but for your community as a whole. Please know that our intent was in no way to offend or demean—just to support our own team in a way we have done before.

Congratulations on a wonderful season and we wish you nothing but the best of luck in the future.
Now, if students dressed in red/white/blue and then followed it up with racial slurs, that would be one thing (and as such, that is what should have been addressed in the statement). Otherwise, this statement is just utter nonsense.
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Honestly, this statement by the student council is exactly what is wrong with society today:



Now, if students dressed in red/white/blue and then followed it up with racial slurs, that would be one thing (and as such, that is what should have been addressed in the statement). Otherwise, this statement is just utter nonsense.
No one has the guts to call people out on ridiculous political corrected-ness.
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No one has the guts to call people out on ridiculous political corrected-ness.
I am ready to whip out my red/white/blue thing and go prance around in every school in Iowa

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Too much news is biased these days. When I see a story that seems outrageous the way this one does, I wonder at the motivations of the people who wrote it. It amusing to see the same story on CNN and Fox, the "facts" that are listed are often the same, but they will leave out different parts of the story.

I don't know what happened here. If people are upset by someone simply wearing US colors, then that is unreasonable. If this is part of some bigger story, that could be different.

Why on earth are people upset by a Buddhist symbol?


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Indeed. But if I am to be convinced that something nefarious happened, then it is incumbent upon those telling the story to provide the evidence of such antics. We don't have that, and so the presumption is that there is nothing more, until they provide something more substantial.

With what we have, let us suppose that it was intended as a slight... what does that say about the students they were antagonizing? That they are offended by the US flag? That they place their home nations (or those of their parents) above their own?
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I don't know what happened here. If people are upset by someone simply wearing US colors, then that is unreasonable. If this is part of some bigger story, that could be different.
See, my issue here, if there was a bigger story, the student council should have addressed it in their statement. They do not, and it just comes across like a bunch of sensitive snowflakes got their feelings hurt.
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Too much news is biased these days. When I see a story that seems outrageous the way this one does, I wonder at the motivations of the people who wrote it. It amusing to see the same story on CNN and Fox, the "facts" that are listed are often the same, but they will leave out different parts of the story.

I don't know what happened here. If people are upset by someone simply wearing US colors, then that is unreasonable. If this is part of some bigger story, that could be different.

Why on earth are people upset by a Buddhist symbol?
I agree, if there's more, then we should consider that as soon as it is made known.

I don't know anyone upset by a Buddhist symbol, but if I were to guess such people would be either Protestants or Muslims. (Atheists will get there one day, after they've finished their Holy War against the Christians)
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The swastika was originally a Buddhist symbol and is still used on temples (usually with the arms in the opposite direction but few people notice that).

So, its technically true that people are offended by a Buddhist symbol. The unstated part is that the symbol was cooped by a horrible genocide regime and THAT is of course what people really object to.

I was just giving an example where its possible to not lie, but by omission give completely the wrong impression. News organizations on both sides are doing this very frequently these days.


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I agree, if there's more, then we should consider that as soon as it is made known.

I don't know anyone upset by a Buddhist symbol, but if I were to guess such people would be either Protestants or Muslims. (Atheists will get there one day, after they've finished their Holy War against the Christians)
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The swastika was originally a Buddhist symbol and is still used on temples (usually with the arms in the opposite direction but few people notice that).

So, its technically true that people are offended by a Buddhist symbol. The unstated part is that the symbol was cooped by a horrible genocide regime and THAT is of course what people really object to.

I was just giving an example where its possible to not lie, but by omission give completely the wrong impression. News organizations on both sides are doing this very frequently these days.
Sorry @uhtred - you are grasping at straws to find information that supports this as blatantly racist, when in fact, no such information exists, because the dress up day had NOTHING to do with racism.
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