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So why can't the all powerful, all knowing God who is able to create all of the universe in 7 days, provide some sort of stipend to these people who are doing his work?
He does. In the form of tithes and offerings. But I am guessing you alreafy knew that, and were looking for a way to get Diana, or anyone else, for that matter, to argue with you. In some churches, it comes from only the local congregation. In others, like mine, it is sent to the conference, and distributed throughout the conference... And some even goes to missionaries around the world.

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He does. In the form of tithes and offerings. But I am guessing you alreafy knew that, and were looking for a way to get Diana, or anyone else, for that matter, to argue with you. In some churches, it comes from only the local congregation. In others, like mine, it is sent to the conference, and distributed throughout the conference... And some even goes to missionaries around the world.

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But tithes and offerings do not come from God. They come from people who attend the church to gain the so called word of God as interpreted thru which ever prism of belief you choose to follow. God could simply provide, directly. The same holds true of his "word", it could be provided directly with no need for interpretation by any other human being.
As for your allegation that I am trying to draw anyone into an argument, I am perplexed. Why would you even assume such a thing. I made an observation. I am more than willing to listen or read in this case anything anyone has to offer in response. This is an attempt at conversation. And critically looking at a subject rather than simply regurgitating what you have been told. If that is "arguing" in your mind, I am truly sorry you have lived such a limited life. I merely desire to know how you can reconcile my observation into your worldview with apparently no conflict. Because I can't.

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So why can't the all powerful, all knowing God who is able to create all of the universe in 7 days, provide some sort of stipend to these people who are doing his work?
The word in the Genisis that is translated as 'day' is a word that at the time was used to mean 'period of time'. Clearly that makes much more sense.... 7 periods of time.
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But tithes and offerings do not come from God. They come from people who attend the church to gain the so called word of God as interpreted thru which ever prism of belief you choose to follow. God could simply provide, directly. The same holds true of his "word", it could be provided directly with no need for interpretation by any other human being.
As for your allegation that I am trying to draw anyone into an argument, I am perplexed. Why would you even assume such a thing. I made an observation. I am more than willing to listen or read in this case anything anyone has to offer in response. This is an attempt at conversation. And critically looking at a subject rather than simply regurgitating what you have been told. If that is "arguing" in your mind, I am truly sorry you have lived such a limited life. I merely desire to know how you can reconcile my observation into your worldview with apparently no conflict. Because I can't.
I apologize if that was not your intent. I read what you had posted on a similar thread, to the same poster, so that is why it appeared to be so.

As a Christian, I believe everything belongs to God. That means even my home, my food, myself... everything. But, only requires 1/10th of the increase... whether that is payday or whatever. Only 1/10th. For lack of a better way of explaining, that 1/10th is what is claimed as His. So, yes, from that, it IS coming from Him.

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The word in the Genisis that is translated as 'day' is a word that at the time was used to mean 'period of time'. Clearly that makes much more sense.... 7 periods of time.
I totally understand that. Regardless of whether it was 7 literal days or 7 eons of time, God created the ENTIRE universe. Most of us are lucky to match our socks in the morning. Why on earth would someone capable of creating EVERYTHING, choose to rely on a bunch of mortals who wear mismatched socks to fund the spreading of his word?

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I apologize if that was not your intent. I read what you had posted on a similar thread, to the same poster, so that is why it appeared to be so.

As a Christian, I believe everything belongs to God. That means even my home, my food, myself... everything. But, only requires 1/10th of the increase... whether that is payday or whatever. Only 1/10th. For lack of a better way of explaining, that 1/10th is what is claimed as His. So, yes, from that, it IS coming from Him.

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Ok, by that logic, he is providing by first providing it to you and trusting that you will turn over ten percent of what he just gave you right back to him? I am just trying to understand

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I supppse some of this explains the difference.

We don't do all the activities. Our focus is on the worship services three times a month and revival services.

Our preachers have regular jobs just like the rest of us, but their gift from God is to preach the gospel, so that is what they do during our service, just like some people have a spiritual gift for singing and such.

I'm sure that sounds odd to people who do differently, just as the other sounds odd to me.
I suppose that can work if you have a smallish church and dont do work in the community etc.
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So why can't the all powerful, all knowing God who is able to create all of the universe in 7 days, provide some sort of stipend to these people who are doing his work?
He does. As Christians He leads us to give to churches and ministries. Part of that is paying for staff.
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Ok, by that logic, he is providing by first providing it to you and trusting that you will turn over ten percent of what he just gave you right back to him? I am just trying to understand
Essentially, yes. And, I can't speak for any other denomination, but I know mine does not keep anyone from attending if they don't put in tithes and/or offerings.

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What I love about atheists, is how they ignore the mathematical impossibility of the big bang, or whatever the heck they believe these days. What's statistically more probable?

1. That a gas explosion in someone's kitchen would create a perfect 5 course meal.
2. That someone would go into said kitchen, and make a 5 course meal.

One person looks at the code for Adobe Photoshop and concludes that someone really smart must have put it together. Another person looks at it and concludes that since they haven't seen the creator, or don't understand how or why he would create it, that it was the by-product of an earthquake at the local library.


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I totally understand that. Regardless of whether it was 7 literal days or 7 eons of time, God created the ENTIRE universe. Most of us are lucky to match our socks in the morning. Why on earth would someone capable of creating EVERYTHING, choose to rely on a bunch of mortals who wear mismatched socks to fund the spreading of his word?
Maybe he enjoys having play things. Maybe he's bored.

Or maybe humans do have souls that exist outside of this existence and are here to learn some lesson...

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Ok, by that logic, he is providing by first providing it to you and trusting that you will turn over ten percent of what he just gave you right back to him? I am just trying to understand
In our church we don't even have a collection. There is a box somewhere that you can put offerings in if you want to. Part of being a Christian is not putting God before money and trusting him to provide. Some will give 10% and some more or less than that, its between us and God.
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Ok, by that logic, he is providing by first providing it to you and trusting that you will turn over ten percent of what he just gave you right back to him? I am just trying to understand
In our church we don't even have a collection. There is a box somewhere that you can put offerings in if you want to. Part of being a Christian is not putting God before money and trusting him to provide. Some will give 10% and some more or less than that, its between us and God.

That's similar to ours. We actually pass a collection plate, but it's up to the individual, and nobody knows what any Individual puts in.

We've actually had a few preachers who wouldn't take an offering.
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I can't say I am friends with but an acquaintance of the head pastor of a large California church. I don't know his salary but familiar with his lifestyle...it's [income] substantial. He has also authored several books

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What I love about atheists, is how they ignore the mathematical impossibility of the big bang, or whatever the heck they believe these days. What's statistically more probable?

1. That a gas explosion in someone's kitchen would create a perfect 5 course meal.
2. That someone would go into said kitchen, and make a 5 course meal.

One person looks at the code for Adobe Photoshop and concludes that someone really smart must have put it together. Another person looks at it and concludes that since they haven't seen the creator, or don't understand how or why he would create it, that it was the by-product of an earthquake at the local library.
This is a topic for another thread but isn't even close to being analogous.

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Thanks for the responses. This thread has been more eye opening than I thought it would be.

I realize it takes money to function in all aspects of life. If nothing else, it takes money to keep the lights on and maintain upkeep on a church building.

I guess the big eye opener for me is that is different to what I am accustomed to is that being a preacher can actually be how one makes a living; it's their profession just like
being a professor or doctor.

I've discussed this with some other people since posting here, and I discovered that churches have other paid positions as well. Some have a music master who gets a salary.

I'm the "song leader" at my church, but I don't get paid for it. It's just part of our worship.

I knew the preachers on tv who drive fancy cars and live in mansions got paid a huge amount, but I don't put any faith in those.

It seems like some churches are about like a company with all the paid positions. Quite they eye opener.
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