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Old 01-17-2012, 06:15 PM   #136 (permalink)
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This right here. This is, what did you call it, "hypocrisy, intolerance, bigotry." You did an excellent job of demonstrating those said traits. I am not Christian and I do not believe in creationism.
What in Gehenna does this have to do with the topic?

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That being said, my husband is Catholic, we attend church every Sunday, and my children attend Catholic school where they are *gasp* taught creationism. I allow my children to choose what they want to believe in, whether it is creationism or evolution, because while I am their mother it is NOT my right to tell them what they should believe. And guess what, right now they believe in creationism. The constantly talk about living in God’s image, they pray before they eat and sleep, and they know that “Jesus died on the cross so we could go to heaven”. Whenever they talk about this stuff I just nod and smile, or prompt them to tell me more.
This sounds suspiciously like "some of my best friends are black".

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.... I highly doubt you would be a-ok with someone teaching your children about evolution so that they could make an informed choice between the two, yet I am the one who is close minded. Please explain that one to me...
My children WERE taught evolution. I wouldn't go too far out on that limb if I were you, you know nothing about me, least of all how I came by my beliefs on homosexuality.

Try again, this time without the condescension.
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Old 01-17-2012, 06:21 PM   #137 (permalink)
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Look, I am in no position to be telling two consenting adults whether they should tie the knot, and neither are you.
Yet, you appear to be in a position to tell other people what they can think and believe. I am going to ask this again - how do you justify that?
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Old 01-17-2012, 06:26 PM   #138 (permalink)
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Yet, you appear to be in a position to tell other people what they can think and believe. I am going to ask this again - how do you justify that?
She wasn't doing anything of the kind. She was saying what business is it of yours what others do behind closed doors? If they want to get married, why not? How is it an issue to your marriage?
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Old 01-17-2012, 06:40 PM   #139 (permalink)
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Yet, you appear to be in a position to tell other people what they can think and believe. I am going to ask this again - how do you justify that?
If someone implies I'm uneducated, I will attack back and that was what my first statement came across, my bad. How did I tell him what to think or believe anyway? I said I didn't care what two consenting adults do... So why does he and why should he? It was a question more or less. Then tacoma informed me that Galt was more or less down on marriage in general... I did not realize that. So it was a mute question on my part to begin with. Have a lovely night.
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Old 01-17-2012, 07:05 PM   #140 (permalink)
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Would you please do so because I have asked this simple question to literally hundreds of theists over the past few years and have never had a single one from priests to theologians to sunday school teachers give an answer.

For what secular reason should gay marriage be illegal?

I just want one consistently rational non-hypocrital reason and I`ll vote it down myself.
It's rather simple, but much of what you will read here obscures the REAL argument, and I think that is the intent.

The reality is that from a secular point of view, the state does not "grant" marriage. What it does is tell you what it will recognize as marriage, which is why the hysterical arguments concerning "gay marriage" are pretty much irrelevant, because in most places in the USA, there is no such thing.

That said, the state will recognize marriage as being a ceremonial set of vows between a man and a woman performed by a judge, a ship's captain, or a recognized minister of a legitimate church.

Despite the histrionics posted by certain posters here, marriage between a man and a woman (preferably the biological parents of the offspring) is and has been the optimum situation for raising children in the western world for thousands of years.

Now, I know that there is at least one exception to every rule, but we are not talking about the exception, we are talking about the rule.

It is in the state's best interest to foster a situation where the next generation of soldiers, citizens, and taxpayers will come from, and they nurture heterosexual marriage for just that reason. Why? Because it WORKS, more often than not, and it has for (once again) thousands of years.

If any experimental version of marriage is granted the same status as the ideal, then, like any counterfeit, the copy devalues the original, as more and more copies are made. More copies such as homosexual marriage, polygamy, and although bestiality is probably a stretch, almost nothing would surprise me these days.

If being married is nothing special, then why bother getting married at all, and people will drift from relationship to relationship, based on feelings, not commitment. You can see this happening now in the inner city, where marriage is cheap or non-existent.

Logical people know that the nebulous word "love" is based in commitment and not feelings, since feelings are notoriously unreliable, and you people prove it on these forums every day.

And that's what this little experiment is - nothing more than a thought excercise based on the "feeling" that 2% of the population should be able to rewrite civil law over the objection of the majority, which is idiotic on it's face as it is.

The single most profound statement I have heard in recent times was in a movie called "The Incredibles", where the villian is heard saying that "when everything is special, nothing is".

The state defeats it's own purpose by devaluing the institution that will bring forth it's citizens, soldiers, and taxpayers. Now I know someone is going to respond hysterically with "that doesn't devalue YOUR marriage" but again, you need look no farther than the inner city, where marriage has been devalued for years, with it's 70% illigitimacy rate. (Look it up yourself)

And the people who will cause this problem will expect us to let them "fix" it.

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If someone implies I'm uneducated, I will attack back and that was what my first statement came across, my bad.
Sorry, I missed that, I have been reading backwards.

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I said I didn't care what two consenting adults do... So why does he and why should he?
And that's my question to you - what difference does it make to you what he thinks or says?

I am not trying to be a wise guy, but I get the feeling that many of you are stepping up to the line then backing off, and by doing so you create more questions than answers.

So do we live and let live or hash it out?
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Old 01-17-2012, 07:18 PM   #142 (permalink)
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It would be all serious in the church. Top hat and tails and tailored to the nines. The reception however would be a different story. The velcro tux would be ripped away to reveal heart shaped nipple cups and a leather studded thong. The theme song to A Night at the Roxbury miraculously starts playing and everybody starts doing Vogue.


TRBE, would you marry me and have a sexless and unnecessary lesbian marriage?

I am dismayed that people actually believe irrational nonsense, such as all unneeded things should be illegal.

So that means unless someone is hoping to conceive, they should never have sex?

Galt, whining about minor grammar mistakes is the oldest "I am losing the argument, so I will just be petty" trick in the book. Your faulty logic is easy to poke holes into, so let's not point out tiny mistakes just to feel better about ourselves, mmmkay?

People can have all the education in the world and still be fools.

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She wasn't doing anything of the kind. She was saying what business is it of yours what others do behind closed doors?
Do you ever run out of talking points? Number one, I am not concerned with "what others do behind closed doors". I am concerned with what they do at the statehouse. (And by the way, on this forum about all you people do is talk about what "others do behind closed doors" - so don't point fingers.)

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If they want to get married, why not? How is it an issue to your marriage?
If I want to oppose it, why not? How is it an issue in your marriage?

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Opposition of gay marriage is an issue for straight couples who have gay loved ones.

Very simple.
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Opposition of gay marriage is an issue for straight couples who have gay loved ones.

Very simple.
We ALL have gay loved ones, even I. Try again.
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TRBE, would you marry me and have a sexless and unnecessary lesbian marriage?
Only if I can refer to you as Haute Chocolate and you can refer to me as Vanilla Vixen.
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Grizabella, whining about minor grammar mistakes is the oldest "I am losing the argument, so I will just be petty" trick in the book.
I don't have the faintest idea of what you are talking about.


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Your faulty logic is easy to poke holes into
If it was that easy, one might do so instead of just talking about it.

Bluster doesn't carry the day.
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Do you ever run out of talking points? Number one, I am not concerned with "what others do behind closed doors". I am concerned with what they do at the statehouse. (And by the way, on this forum about all you people do is talk about what "others do behind closed doors" - so don't point fingers.)



If I want to oppose it, why not? How is it an issue in your marriage?
"You people?". Please clarify.
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I don't have the faintest idea of what you are talking about.




If it was that easy, one might do so instead of just talking about it.

Bluster doesn't carry the day.
I just corrected my post; sorry for the name mix up. My words were meant for Galt.
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"You people?". Please clarify.
Those of you who read and post in the sex in marriage forum. (You know who you are.)

Aside from that, the accusation that people who are on the traditional marriage side of the debate are "concerned with what others do in their own bedrooms" is nonsense and it always has been. What we are concerned with is the law.
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