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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 03-28-2017, 04:20 PM Thread Starter
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What "heterosexual" use to mean

So are you a real heterosexual? Interesting how language change culture.

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The 1901 Dorland’s Medical Dictionary defined heterosexuality as an “abnormal or perverted appetite toward the opposite sex.” More than two decades later, in 1923, Merriam Webster’s dictionary similarly defined it as “morbid sexual passion for one of the opposite sex.”
This is an interesting history on the meaning and thoughts behind heterosexual, homosexual, monosexual, etc.

BBC - Future - The invention of ?heterosexuality?

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“Prior to 1868, there were no heterosexuals,” writes Blank. Neither were there homosexuals. It hadn’t yet occurred to humans that they might be “differentiated from one another by the kinds of love or sexual desire they experienced.” Sexual behaviours, of course, were identified and catalogued, and often times, forbidden. But the emphasis was always on the act, not the agent.

So what changed? Language.

In the late 1860s, Hungarian journalist Karl Maria Kertbeny coined four terms to describe sexual experiences: heterosexual, homosexual, and two now forgotten terms to describe masturbation and bestiality; namely, monosexual and heterogenit.


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Interesting. Thank you. I am doing an MA in history, whilst doing some newspaper searches on sexual deviancy I was struggling to find anything on 'homosexuality'. There was no such word for being gay up until 1868 and even then it wasn't commonly used. Difficult for researchers.
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"Sodomites" are in the bible so the concept of homosexuality existed for thousands of years but it was always considered a vile and disgusting thing to mainstream (to the majority which is hetero,) or especially Christian (or most religions.) Anyone homosexual wasn't accepted and had to live in the shadows so they were never given the respect of a classification such as "homosexual" that would require a counter label of "heterosexual." It was just normal or abnormally wrong.

Just in the last 10-20 years we've had a list of new terms gain mainstream acceptance (transexual, tangenered, and others) as those classifications are legitimized.

It's about how society has grown to accept homosexual as something legitimate (whether they agree with it or not) which necessitates and equal label for what was historically considered the only norm.

Personally, I know far too many homosexual, bisexual, and transgendered people (some very good or lifelong friends) to think even the slightest of them. I know they were born or developed that way naturally and to them it is the norm (it's not morbid or a perversion.) All the while I'm 200% heterosexual (and not in a homophobic sense.)
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And then again, there's always the age old term for folks who are completely aversive to sex, who are affectionately referred to simply as "No-no sexuals!"

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And then again, there's always the age old term for folks who are completely aversive to sex, who are affectionately referred to simply as "No-no sexuals!"
I always was impressed with Samantha of Sex in the City and he definition of homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual and her specialty "trisexual, if it was sexual she would try it."
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"Sodomites" are in the bible...

Hell! My RSXW can literally perform stunts that would make a Sodomite blush by comparison!

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I moved this thread out of the SIM forum because it does not fit in the purpose of that forum.
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Homosexuality among men was pretty widely accepted in ancient Greece and Rome. I don't know about other cultures, but I expect it was accepted by some others as well.

A quick look at ancient statues suggests that homoerotic interest was pretty widespread. There are an awful lot of statues of a well muscled Hercules struggling against something or other.

There was also a considerable amount of hermaphroditic art - IMHO designed for erotic appeal.


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"Sodomites" are in the bible so the concept of homosexuality existed for thousands of years but it was always considered a vile and disgusting thing to mainstream (to the majority which is hetero,) or especially Christian (or most religions.) Anyone homosexual wasn't accepted and had to live in the shadows so they were never given the respect of a classification such as "homosexual" that would require a counter label of "heterosexual." It was just normal or abnormally wrong.

Just in the last 10-20 years we've had a list of new terms gain mainstream acceptance (transexual, tangenered, and others) as those classifications are legitimized.

It's about how society has grown to accept homosexual as something legitimate (whether they agree with it or not) which necessitates and equal label for what was historically considered the only norm.

Personally, I know far too many homosexual, bisexual, and transgendered people (some very good or lifelong friends) to think even the slightest of them. I know they were born or developed that way naturally and to them it is the norm (it's not morbid or a perversion.) All the while I'm 200% heterosexual (and not in a homophobic sense.)
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Having loved 4 bisexual girls, the last that I married and the 3rd that live with us, I know that sexuality can be fluid. I also saw it during group sex. Once aroused and a little drunk, inhibitions go away. There is a new term which describes me and many others, heteroflexible. It is a person who identifies with being heterosexual, not attracted or sexually aroused by their own gender, but under the right circumstances can be sexual with a member of your own gender. I have had sex with males twice when I was very young and just wanted to experience it. Not for me but I did have orgasms each time. Once you get past the mental block, an opening is an opening.

Under the right circumstances I think I still can be sexual with a man. Not kissing and hugging but the sex acts themselves as long as a woman or two are keeping me sexually excited and urging me on. I an not repulsed by gay sex. Just not something I look for or want. With a bi wife and girlfriend, we knew a lot of people with different sexualities so nothing bothers me anymore. Men will encourage women to have sex with other women and yet, when it comes to man on man sex, they think it is disgusting, wrong, immoral or whatever. That is just one part genetics, one part religion and one part society talking.

I attended a few orgies that my old roommate hosted and swords sometimes cross, hands touch the wrong thing and a pair of lips has no gender unless you look past your stoned and drunken eyes. Things happen and no big deal.

Many prefer to drown in a pool of their own morality rather than seek the safety of a different morality when the choice is monogamy or your marriage.
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So are you a real heterosexual? Interesting how language change culture.



This is an interesting history on the meaning and thoughts behind heterosexual, homosexual, monosexual, etc.

BBC - Future - The invention of ?heterosexuality?
Thank you! I live for stuff like this! Never occurred to me to look in this direction.

Great stuff Y.A.H.!

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I moved this thread out of the SIM forum because it does not fit in the purpose of that forum.
OK? "....This is the place to discuss politics, morality, religion, and anything controversial....." I guess discussing heterosexuality and its meaning is controversial?

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Thank you! I live for stuff like this! Never occurred to me to look in this direction.

Great stuff Y.A.H.!
Your welcome, I find this kind of stuff interesting, just not sure where it belongs. I didn't realize it was more controversial.
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