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post #61 of 101 (permalink) Old 05-18-2017, 08:53 AM
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For the first time in my life I voted independent.

I could not, and maintain a clear conscience, vote for The Donald or Hillary.
I think we would be safer with Hillary.

But it was indeed a reluctant vote.


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European bookmakers are offering 3/1 on trump being impeached this year.
The sad reality is that Trump could very well be impeached by only a simple House majority(218), of unsympathetic Republicans and the Democrats; and then be subject to the ensuing impeachment trial over in the Senate!

But with a couple of sympathetic Democratic Senators in tow, there is absolutely no way in hell that Mitch McConnell and the GOP are going to come up with the needed 20-22 of its votes needed to get to the required number of 67!

But even if they did, how do you feel about having a walking, talking, lying Trump foot soldier like Pence assuming office? Let's just say that I wouldn't feel very optimistic about those prospects!

Having said that, the Dems may we'll participate in the impeachment process, but them helping in the conviction of him just may never come about primarily because they may just choose to let him languish in office, helping drag both himself as well as the GOP down in the 2018 midterm and the 2020 national elections!

That might very well be their whole "Trump" card!!

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But if we had elected Hillary we'd be missing out all the fun.

Windows server for email? Exchange? LOLZ. I bet she would have been elected if it was Lotus Notes (very esoteric joke)...


Nothing fun about my stocks taking a hit. I just want less drama, it's exhausting.


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They were two disappointing candidates, for sure.

Hillary is corrupt, but competent, as opposed to Trump, who is corrupt and stupid. That is why I reluctantly voted for her over him.
I am no DT fan, but one thing he isn't is stupid. Arrogant and inconsiderate, certainly. I also don't think he is nearly as corrupt as he is portrayed. I laugh at his supposed Russian ties, when right now we are at odds with them and there is oodles of evidence about how HRC actually received benefits during the campaign from Russian sources, see @Kivlor post above.
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I am no DT fan, but one thing he isn't is stupid. Arrogant and inconsiderate, certainly. I also don't think he is nearly as corrupt as he is portrayed. I laugh at his supposed Russian ties, when right now we are at odds with them and there is oodles of evidence about how HRC actually received benefits during the campaign from Russian sources, see @Kivlor post above.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on Trump's stupidity, Dave.

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I guess we will have to agree to disagree on Trump's stupidity, Dave.
You're welcome to do that. But the facts are the facts.

The candidate receiving foreign interference in the last election was indeed HRC. Funding from all over the world, and direct coordination with a former Soviet state.

Trump may or may not be a good POTUS. I contend that he won't be a good one, just a less bad option compared with HRC. What corruption are we seeing so far from Trump? Pretty limited it seems, to me. HRC's corruption was demonstrated, and so visible it was oozing out of her eyeballs.

Although, I'll say that if Gorsuch is the kind of man they presented, and if Trump enforces the "2 regulations repealed for each added" and if he pushes real immigration restrictions successfully, he'll be the best POTUS in a century. He could do nothing else, and sit on those things, and he'd be the best POTUS our nation has had since Coolidge.

I'm concerned he'll try much more, and that such things will be disastrous.

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I guess we will have to agree to disagree on Trump's stupidity, Dave.
what evidence do you have?

He made a bunch of money and he didn't do that by being lucky.

Border wall, just talking about it has slowed illegal immigration, which helps a) minimize govt expenses and b) raises wages on average, increasing taxable income

On-shoring has already increased job growth. More jobes = more tax revenue, less govt freebies.

Very smart moves. Firing Comey is probably one of the smarter things he did, shows that partisans can be at risk, where they were not before. Comey not indicting HRC was criminal and political.
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I am no DT fan, but one thing he isn't is stupid. Arrogant and inconsiderate, certainly. I also don't think he is nearly as corrupt as he is portrayed. I laugh at his supposed Russian ties, when right now we are at odds with them and there is oodles of evidence about how HRC actually received benefits during the campaign from Russian sources, see @Kivlor post above.


Is there any "there, there"? I don't know and why we finally have an independent counsel to investigate it. But regardless of what comes from this investigation, he, President Trump, creates too much drama and draws way too much attention to himself. It is exhausting


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This is good, from David Brooks:

We’ve got this perverse situation in which the vast analytic powers of the entire world are being spent trying to understand a guy whose thoughts are often just six fireflies beeping randomly in a jar.

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Is there any "there, there"? I don't know and why we finally have an independent counsel to investigate it. But regardless of what comes from this investigation, he, President Trump, creates too much drama and draws way too much attention to himself. It is exhausting


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He has been investigated ad naseum. Pretty much all of the investigating has reached its conclusion, there isn't anything but speculation that something may have occurred. There is and has been zero basis for an investigation based on anything of substance. It is purely partisan politics.

DT does create drama and grabs attention and it is exhausting, but that doesn't make him a crook.

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He has been investigated ad naseum. Pretty much all of the investigating has reached its conclusion, there isn't anything but speculation that something may have occurred. There is and has been zero basis for an investigation based on anything of substance. It is purely partisan politics.



DT does create drama and grabs attention and it is exhausting, but that doesn't make him a crook.


By his actions he has created the investigations. He has no one to blame but himself.


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This is good, from David Brooks:

We’ve got this perverse situation in which the vast analytic powers of the entire world are being spent trying to understand a guy whose thoughts are often just six fireflies beeping randomly in a jar.
Ah, that uber neutral New York Times. Not exactly where I would look for an honest assessment of anyone right of Chairman Mao.
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what actions are you talking about? Everything that is in the press is either been shown to be partisan BS or NOT illegal.
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what actions are you talking about? Everything that is in the press is either been shown to be partisan BS or NOT illegal.


I'm sure that some parts of press coverage is over the top to increase ratings (i.e., increase media revenue) but not all of it. Much of the problem was self created and will not illegal on face value has some real issues in terms of optics.

My guess - the special counsel will likely find that Russia played a passive role in attempting to manipulate our elections without concluding that they, Russia, were ultimately successful. However, no real collusion will be established between Russia and the Trump campaign (the cloud of suspicion will exist without an answer). I do think that much will be uncovered concerning Mike Flynn which could lead to prosecution (of him). It will be very difficult to prove obstruction of justice in the firing of James Comey, however it will likely result in a Trump loyalists falling on his/her sword to put this matter to rest.

The real issue will never be prosecuted, President Trumps economic interest and how this all relates to that major underlying issue.


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what actions are you talking about? Everything that is in the press is either been shown to be partisan BS or NOT illegal.
Reuters ran an article today showing off their Trump Derangement Syndrome, and how some people around him (the only named one is Flynn) had 18 phone calls / emails and/or texts to or from people connected to Russia. They went on for 6 paragraphs before stating that according to all sources who've seen / listened to the conversations, nothing illegal transpired, there was no wrongdoing, or collusion. Paragraph 6 should have been in paragraph 1. All those words, just to build up more fervor, and try to bury reality under emotion.

I could re-write the article in 1 paragraph, and give it a pretty neutral summation:

"Sources from the intelligence community have informed Reuters that 18 conversations, emails or text messages were sent or received from/by people close to the Trump Administration. According to these sources, who have seen the text conversations, and listened to the phone conversations, no laws were broken and that there is no evidence of wrongdoing or collusion between Trump or his campaign and the Russians. The apparent topic of discussion was the hopeful normalization of relations between the US and Russia, and a desire to focus on common interests between the two powers, rather than focusing on the areas of foreign policy on which they disagree."

That's why I voted Trump right there. To not intentionally antagonize the Russians just because "her der her, dem Russians iz bad 'n we otta be against anyfin dey wanna do." To work with them when it's in our interest, and to oppose them when that's in our interest.

Sounds a lot smarter than "Let's make a no-fly zone over Syria and shoot down Russian planes because... well... because... Russians!" from Hillary Clinton.

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