...the data showed that even up to moderately high-use levels — one joint a day for seven years — there is no evidence of decreased air-flow rates or lung volumes." However, the data shows that the relationship changes when people are exposed to a higher level of marijuana smoke over a lifetime, suggesting that there is a decline in lung air-flow rate.
How many people do you imagine would only smoke one joint a day if it were legalized?
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...The study was not intended to show other ways in which marijuana can harm the body. Just the effects to the lungs compared with cigarette smoke
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Right. Like brain damage and cancer…
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Can't help what stupid people choose to do after they drink or smoke... I choose to stay home to do it and not get behind the wheel.
But what about the other drivers who are stoned?
The bottom line is that cigarettes should probably be banned for health reasons and alcohol for this and many other reasons. This cannot be done, however, and no one is advocating banning of either of these drugs. Marijuana, however, can remain illegal (except for medical use) and should remain so.
I don't care what you do. Now can you tell me why your test results on this MANPAD guidance control is 8 kinds of f^cked or do you want to personally explain to someone why they no longer have any hands with which to hold their baby?
How many people do you imagine would only smoke one joint a day if it were legalized?
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Right. Like brain damage and cancer…
But what about the other drivers who are stoned?
The bottom line is that cigarettes should probably be banned for health reasons and alcohol for this and many other reasons. This cannot be done, however, and no one is advocating banning of either of these drugs. Marijuana, however, can remain illegal (except for medical use) and should remain so.
Ohhhh the irony... The one drug that does have a wide array of medicinal purposes is illegal, however two drugs that are legal have no medicinal purpose, and actually can present health problems.... You are right.... Why fix something that clearly ain't broken... How do you insert the emoticons from mobile?? Anyway "ROLLS EYES" Posted via Mobile Device
Gault,
I understand what you are saying. I personally abhor drugs and have never tried them in my life. Is that for moral reasons? No. I just saw what it did to too many friends.
What I gleaned from my experience though was that so many tried it and continued to use it because it was viewed as cool/bucking the system.
I think if it were legal, many would not partake in it. Also, financially speaking, it would be make sense to legalize it, tax it and regulate its distribution. As it is now, think about how much crime is associated with it being illegal? Theft, robbery, dealers, etc. That takes police, DEA, prosecutors, jails, wardens, guards and the general cost with housing the users. Has that worked? Is drug abuse getting better?
You mentioned getting behind the wheel, etc and I understand your concern. That is however happening right now to those who do drugs and drink. The laws would still apply to doing drugs and driving the same way they apply to drinking and driving. That part won't change.
I don't care what you do. Now can you tell me why your test results on this MANPAD guidance control is 8 kinds of f^cked or do you want to personally explain to someone why they no longer have any hands with which to hold their baby?
Oh boy, one of those tough “Would you rather …..” questions. Can I opt to try smoking some pot before having to explain the latter?
I haven't smoked pot myself but have had the effects of withdrawal from an every day heavy user imposed upon me. My H was a very heavy user back in the day and when he quit he would be extremely short tempered and would even try to hurt me physically(tried to choke me once). Now if the pot he was smoking was laced I wil never know and he will never say if it was but that is the only reason why I am a big fan of not legalizing it. H would more than likely start getting high again and a D will soon follow. Outside of that I only know of two people that smoke pot a cousin of mine who is as I so lovingly refer to him as scum of the earth hasn't done anything with his life and has stayed in the teen mindset although he has 3 kids to support. The other a man in his 50's who instead of looking for a job used up all his retirement and is now left with no other choice but to go live with his mother. Both men and even H for that matter have done harder drugs (coke, meth, heroin, etc) do I blame pot? No it's the poor choices people make but those men are just the examples I have witnessed first hand. Posted via Mobile Device
The bottom line is that cigarettes should probably be banned for health reasons and alcohol for this and many other reasons. This cannot be done, however, and no one is advocating banning of either of these drugs. Marijuana, however, can remain illegal (except for medical use) and should remain so. [/B]
You know what I'd like to see banned? My list:
Food that makes you fat, I don't want to foot the bill for the healthcare increases because people eat too much. And there are plenty of foods out there that don't have high fat content, eat those foods.
I'd also like to ban video games, what's the point of video games anyway, it causes laziness in children.
I'd also like to ban music... Not sure what the hell people were thinking when they created tunes.
Guns... Holy cow, please? Anyway you slice it, guns suck a big weenie.
Hideous clothes... I mean really, we should all have a few colors that we can wear and that's it.... I want the world to be like private schools, it works for them right?
I'd also like to ban golf. I think it's just an excuse for a spouse to get away from their wives for a minute, or for a worker to blow off the day.
I'd also like to put a ban on cars that go over 70 mph... What's the point of being able to go faster anyway, speed kills right? Wait, actually let's ban all cars period... Too much damn pollution.
Paper mills, they stink and we should all learn to write on stone anyway.
Seems absurd I guess, but what the hell? Are we not allowed, as adults, to entertain ourselves so long as NO ONE else is hurt in the process? Oh and I pay for my healthcare, a pretty penny I might add.
Can I ask you a question? Who am I harming if I sit in the privacy of my own home, no children around, and smoke a joint, watch a few shows, have mind blowing sex with my husband and go to sleep? And why should any of that matter to anyone really?
We aren't responsible for what others choose to do with their lives. Regardless of whether it is legal or not, if someone wants to smoke pot they will do so. Just like the scores of other illegal drugs out there.
Life should be about choice so long as no one is a victim of that choice.
Pot must not be made legal, except under rare circumstances and by a doctor’s prescription, for the following reasons:
1. It has been proven to be more hazardous to your health than cigarettes. In addition it damages your brain.
2. People, being what they are, will combine it with alcohol and will even drive under the influence of these combined drugs. Our country is messed up enough without this.
3. If legalized, companies such as Philip Morris will spend millions to promote use of this new “product” of theirs.
4. If anyone doesn’t like the “second hand smoke” which they have to breath at present, they should just imagine how the world will be when this same smoke may be intoxicating, and may have to be breathed before a job interview, a challenging test at school, having to work with dangerous machinery, and so forth. This marijuana smoke may even infiltrate into your apartment, from other units, at any time and you would not know where it is coming from and couldn't do anything about it anyway. At present there are parts of my town where, particularly on the weekend, there is a pall of pot smoke hovering over the entire neighborhood. You can get high just driving through there! This is a disgrace and nothing should be done to make this any worse.
For the above reasons I believe that there is really nothing to debate about on this subject, and move that this thread be closed.
Enough said!
1) source? for starters, you don't have to smoke it (you can eat it or vaporize it) and yes it will damage lungs more per use but cigarette smokers will smoke1-2 packs a day and greatly overide the damage that smoking pot 1-3 times a day will do. Secondly the only brain damage I've seen medically in casual use is a small loss of short term memory and it returns when you stop.
2) assuming a lot are we? I've known many pot smokers who don't even drink. And driving under the influence is illegal. So if a person drives while high then they should face the same penalties as driving drunk, I don't think anyone argues this point.
3) so what? Businesses aren't allowed to market their products? (and I would think that regulation would be stricter than alcohol/cigarettes on businesses if legal)
4) wow you're insane, unless you're with someone smoking in a closet or car, getting high from second hand smoke is impossible by the way you describe.
unless you're with someone smoking in a closet or car, getting high from second hand smoke is impossible by the way you describe.
As I said, there are parts of my city where, in the evening, a thick cloud of mj smoke (combined with crack, heroin/tobacco mix cigarettes and God knows what else) is clearly hovering over the neighborhood from dusk to dawn, especially on the weekends. Everybody gets high, including children, babies, dogs, cats and even any unborn embryos. If you drive too close to this cloud it will hit you like a ton of bricks.
If a person is forced to dive too close to this neighborhood he must be super cautious about crazy drivers running into him, strangers trying to hijack his car or get into it at stoplights, and even being shot at by local dealers believing he may be the police.
If he has a flat tire around here he had better just keep driving, even if this ruins the tire and even the rim!
If this is the kind of behavior which results from taking illegal drugs then I will remain opposed to it!
BTW, I agree. You're not yet quite fully recovered.
Hyperbole and baseless "facts" only make you look irrational and silly.
Even though I smoke dope, I have less than five drinks a YEAR. I do not enjoy being drunk and my tolerance for alcohol is very low; after two drinks, I am already slurring my speech.
As I said, there are parts of my city where, in the evening, a thick cloud of mj smoke (combined with crack, heroin/tobacco mix cigarettes and God knows what else) is clearly hovering over the neighborhood from dusk to dawn, especially on the weekends. Everybody gets high, including children, babies, dogs, cats and even any unborn embryos. If you drive too close to this cloud it will hit you like a ton of bricks.
If a person is forced to dive too close to this neighborhood he must be super cautious about crazy drivers running into him, strangers trying to hijack his car or get into it at stoplights, and even being shot at by local dealers believing he may be the police.
If he has a flat tire around here he had better just keep driving, even if this ruins the tire and even the rim!
If this is the kind of behavior which results from taking illegal drugs then I will remain opposed to it!
BTW, I agree. You're not yet quite fully recovered.
wow
heavy dose of crazy there
a floating cloud of drug smoke?
really?
the neighborhood you describe is dangerous because drugs are illegal (and because they're poor) A huge chunk of urban violence is due to illegal drug trafficking. Make it legal and much of that will go away. Perfect example is prohibition of alcohol.
Re: The Pot Debate 
I do not enjoy being drunk and my tolerance for alcohol is very low; after two drinks, I am already slurring my speech.
