The real issue is not about birth control or free birth control. As a Catholic, at the end of the day I have individual rights regarding birth control. The Catholic church is not going to throw me out of the church for using birth control.
The Catholic church has a belief system and the Catholic church has a right to maintain that belief system. Not all Catholics live under all these beliefs and always have the right to walk away from the church.
The federal government does not have the right under the constitution to change the Catholic church "belief system"
Looks like Obama pissed off the wrong crowd. I think there are 25 million Catholics in the US. We only need a couple million pissed off Catholics to vote Obama out of office. This is a good thing.
The real issue is not about birth control or free birth control. As a Catholic, at the end of the day I have individual rights regarding birth control. The Catholic church is not going to throw me out of the church for using birth control.
The Catholic church has a belief system and the Catholic church has a right to maintain that belief system. Not all Catholics live under all these beliefs and always have the right to walk away from the church.
The federal government does not have the right under the constitution to change the Catholic church "belief system"
Looks like Obama pissed off the wrong crowd. I think there are 25 million Catholics in the US. We only need a couple million pissed off Catholics to vote Obama out of office. This is a good thing.
As much as I hate the government, they're not trying to change the church's beliefs..it's about making sure women have easy access to birth control, and hopefully, not to feel guilty about it.
Obama pissed me off, too, but it's nothing to do with religion...but just look at what the GOP has to offer...it's a freak show.
Who would be preventing them from accessing birth control? No one is preventing anyone from accessing birth control in the US.
No, they'll just make it inconvenient as he!!. And it will cost out the butt because it's not covered on their insurance. With insurance, my oldest was going to get the nuva ring and it was somewhere upwards of nearly $200 for a 3 month supply. With insurance pills cost our plan holders somewhere around 20 to 50 a month. It can be very costly when it's covered on insurance, imagine without insurance?
The politicians have turned this into a circus. It has a lot to do with with religion.
As far as birth control. Lets be real. This is the United States, if anyone wants easy or free birth control it is out there. This is only an issue now because Obama's health care plan is making all these mandates.
The politicians have turned this into a circus. It has a lot to do with with religion.
As far as birth control. Lets be real. This is the United States, if anyone wants easy or free birth control it is out there. This is only an issue now because Obama's health care plan is making all these mandates.
You're right, it really is a freakin' circus..so much for separation of church and state, huh?
I really don't understand why the USA, the richest (or it used to be anyway) industrialized country in the world can't provide decent health care for it's citizens. European countries do a great job of this, for the most part...but at least the taxes go for a good cause, like health care, and not for making bombs or other bs. And the taxes over here are high as well. And the mortality rate in this country is way behind Europe.
The Catholic church has a belief system and the Catholic church has a right to maintain that belief system. Not all Catholics live under all these beliefs and always have the right to walk away from the church.
The federal government does not have the right under the constitution to change the Catholic church "belief system"
I missed the part in the law that says Catholic shall change their beliefs.
Instead, if there are individual Catholics or Evangelicals or any other group that are truly offended on personal and moral grounds about the availability of birth control within an insurance plan perhaps they could boycott or avoid or opt out of any health insurance plan which requires the availability of birth control.
They may be forced to suffer some hardship but it is a small price to pay if they genuinely believed in their own theology on this issue......but they they mostly don't.
The federal government does not have the right under the constitution to change the Catholic church "belief system"
Looks like Obama pissed off the wrong crowd. I think there are 25 million Catholics in the US. We only need a couple million pissed off Catholics to vote Obama out of office. This is a good thing.
It's not about changing their beliefs, it's about making BC available to employee's and their dependents.
Obama has pissed off many people, not just Catholics, during his term... As a matter of fact I was talking with my H about this last night, and he would look better in my eyes if he had the balls to push this through. I personally would gain a little more respect for the man, and I'm sure I'm not the only woman that feels like that. So he might lose some votes from Catholics, but he might gain some votes from non-Catholic women. And there's more than 25 million women in this country.
It's not about changing their beliefs, it's about making BC available to employee's and their dependents.
Obama has pissed off many people, not just Catholics, during his term... As a matter of fact I was talking with my H about this last night, and he would look better in my eyes if he had the balls to push this through. I personally would gain a little more respect for the man, and I'm sure I'm not the only woman that feels like that. So he might lose some votes from Catholics, but he might gain some votes from non-Catholic women. And there's more than 25 million women in this country.
I've lost all respect for politicians..they're only in it for money and power...they don't represent me or you..they just represent their own, best interests. I really thought Obama would be different, but like you said, he doesn't have the balls to stand up for not only his beliefs, but for the women of this country..wonder what his wife and daughters think of this?
I've lost all respect for politicians..they're only in it for money and power...they don't represent me or you..they just represent their own, best interests. I really thought Obama would be different, but like you said, he doesn't have the balls to stand up for not only his beliefs, but for the women of this country..wonder what his wife and daughters think of this?
I agree. I saw a headline first thing this morning on CNN.com indicating there will likely be a compromise on this whole thing anyway. i.e. the Hawaii model, "in which female employees of religious institutions can purchase contraceptive coverage directly from the insurer at the same price offered to employees of all other employers."
I agree. I saw a headline first thing this morning on CNN.com indicating there will likely be a compromise on this whole thing anyway. i.e. the Hawaii model, "in which female employees of religious institutions can purchase contraceptive coverage directly from the insurer at the same price offered to employees of all other employers."
They sure don't make presidents like they used to...If Washington, Lincoln, FDR or, even Kennedy was in office, none of those guys would back down to the conservatives that want to force their ideology down our throats.
Birth control is an extremely personal choice...no different than any other aspect of a woman's life...
The issue here is whether the requirement would abridge people's (in this case the Catholic organizations not wanting to provide bc) freedom to practice their own religion. It's not about keeping women from using birth control. Any women working at a Catholic facility would be perfectly free to go buy birth control on their own. There is certainly no constitutional right to be provided birth control. The irony is that people act as if this law is oppressing women when in actually it's oppressing people's ability to practice their own religious beliefs.
The dispute over this regulation obviously involves freedom of religion, not a woman's right to bc. If this were challenged in courts proponents of the law would have to show that 1)there is a compelling state interest involved in providing bc; 2)that the law is narrowly tailored to achieve this goal and; 3)there isn't a better way to achieve this goal.
The issue here is whether the requirement would abridge people's (in this case the Catholic organizations not wanting to provide bc) freedom to practice their own religion. It's not about keeping women from using birth control. Any women working at a Catholic facility would be perfectly free to go buy birth control on their own. There is certainly no constitutional right to be provided birth control. The irony is that people act as if this law is oppressing women when in actually it's oppressing people's ability to practice their own religious beliefs.
The dispute over this regulation obviously involves freedom of religion, not a woman's right to bc. If this were challenged in courts proponents of the law would have to show that 1)there is a compelling state interest involved in providing bc; 2)that the law is narrowly tailored to achieve this goal and; 3)there isn't a better way to achieve this goal.
You're right..there is nothing in the constitution about birth control, but it was written over 200 years ago by men, and at that time, I really don't think there were a whole lot of birth control options like we have today...I know women at these places can buy bc, but it's whether or not it's covered by insurance.
"I know women at these places can buy bc, but it's whether or not it's covered by insurance."
Yeah, and there's no constitutional right to have bc paid for, right? If the regulation were kept as it was going to be (saw that the wh backed down), you'd be saying the need for society to have bc paid for trumps the right to freely practice religion. Tough argument to make. I understand there's numerous practical issues involved, but keeping the argument strictly ideological and theoretical, there's no way the requirement passes muster.
"I know women at these places can buy bc, but it's whether or not it's covered by insurance."
Yeah, and there's no constitutional right to have bc paid for, right? If the regulation were kept as it was going to be (saw that the wh backed down), you'd be saying the need for society to have bc paid for trumps the right to freely practice religion. Tough argument to make. I understand there's numerous practical issues involved, but keeping the argument strictly ideological and theoretical, there's no way the requirement passes muster.
No, there is no constitutional right for this, but when viagra is covered and bc is not, something just isn't right here...and it can get pretty expensive after a while too.
"I know women at these places can buy bc, but it's whether or not it's covered by insurance."
Yeah, and there's no constitutional right to have bc paid for, right? If the regulation were kept as it was going to be (saw that the wh backed down), you'd be saying the need for society to have bc paid for trumps the right to freely practice religion. Tough argument to make. I understand there's numerous practical issues involved, but keeping the argument strictly ideological and theoretical, there's no way the requirement passes muster.
I do think that the need to have BC readily available at an affordable cost to every single woman in this country is very important this day and age. And I might add that I feel the WH compromise sounds promising... In that "the president will instead demand that insurance companies, rather than religious-affiliated institutions, take the lead in enrolling employees for the birth control benefit and covering the cost. Catholic advocates had argued that placing the requirement on employers would abridge free speech rights."
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I see it as a win win.
