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Old 02-16-2012, 08:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Elections are coming up and it's already stirring up conversation. One of the main issue for the up-coming election will be on the alleged violations of Constitution (health care, birth control). If you're like me and like to debate the issues but are a little rusty on the Constitution then there's a great opportunity to catch up.

There is a free, yes FREE, 10-week course from Hillsdale college on the U.S. constitution. The professors at the college will provide all learning material, including lectures and study material, and there's also question and answer sessions. The course starts Feb 20th. If you're interested here's the link Constitution 101 Schedule | Hillsdale's Imprimis Offer
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Old 02-18-2012, 07:29 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Maybe it's time for me to get a little more involved with our leadership in this country. I've been pretty much out of the loop since graduating from college (96)... Although they're still arguing about topics they've been arguing about since I was a kid... Abortion for one. Apparently no candidate can fix that issue so they just keep pitching platforms, making promises they can't keep, and the cycle continues in some form and on some level. There are new issues presidents tackle, but the big ones seem to remain the same every 4 years
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Old 02-18-2012, 07:50 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I've been out of the loop, too. I was over in another country for awhile and they are really passionate and knowledgable about their politics. The people there inspired me to get more involved. They are new to democracy so they dont take it for granted and they believe they have a voice in how their country works. I think they also feel their leaders care about them and have the countries best interest at heart. I certainly do not feel that way about any of the leaders in this country and the shear size of our bureaucracy makes me feel very powerless. But I do feel a little more inspired to learn about the backbone of this country. The reality that i could lose my freedoms due to indifference and ignorance has become more apparent to me the last few years.
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Seems the economy is starting to get better. Do you think the Republicans will have to scramble to find a new issue/platform?
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Elections are coming up and it's already stirring up conversation. One of the main issue for the up-coming election will be on the alleged violations of Constitution (health care, birth control). If you're like me and like to debate the issues but are a little rusty on the Constitution then there's a great opportunity to catch up.

There is a free, yes FREE, 10-week course from Hillsdale college on the U.S. constitution. The professors at the college will provide all learning material, including lectures and study material, and there's also question and answer sessions. The course starts Feb 20th. If you're interested here's the link Constitution 101 Schedule | Hillsdale's Imprimis Offer
I think it is great that people want to learn more about the Constitution and what it says. That Hillsdale is promoting such a class is also good.

I would note that what Hillsdale will be teaching are not facts about the Constitution, but rather their interpretation of how the Constitution should be read and applied. Nothing wrong with that, but necessary to understand. Hillsdale is a very conservative college, and will likely have an equally conservative view point on the Constitution. Again, nothing necesarily wrong with that, but people should be aware of the bias of the presenter when going into such a class.
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Elections are coming up and it's already stirring up conversation. One of the main issue for the up-coming election will be on the alleged violations of Constitution (health care, birth control). If you're like me and like to debate the issues but are a little rusty on the Constitution then there's a great opportunity to catch up.

There is a free, yes FREE, 10-week course from Hillsdale college on the U.S. constitution. The professors at the college will provide all learning material, including lectures and study material, and there's also question and answer sessions. The course starts Feb 20th. If you're interested here's the link Constitution 101 Schedule | Hillsdale's Imprimis Offer
Sounds like a good way to spend some of my free time. I love debating.
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I am so burned out by the politics and politicians of the USA.

But I force myself. Even though I hate it.
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I am so burned out by the politics and politicians of the USA.

But I force myself. Even though I hate it.
Amen!!! I probably won't be voting again until things REALLY change...I don't like the fact that when I vote I vote for the lesser of two evils...that's no way to live.
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I would note that what Hillsdale will be teaching are not facts about the Constitution, but rather their interpretation of how the Constitution should be read and applied. Nothing wrong with that, but necessary to understand. Hillsdale is a very conservative college, and will likely have an equally conservative view point on the Constitution. Again, nothing necesarily wrong with that, but people should be aware of the bias of the presenter when going into such a class.
Ya, i thought about mentioning that but figured people would figure it out for themselves once getting there.
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Sounds like a good way to spend some of my free time. I love debating.
I used to love debating! Until i realized I dont know anything and I was usually debating, and defending, my pride and not the actual topic. haha
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Amen!!! I probably won't be voting again until things REALLY change...I don't like the fact that when I vote I vote for the lesser of two evils...that's no way to live.
I dont think the focus should be on the president. but there really are too many political figures to keep up. congress is where the power is, i think. the president is just their toy and fall-to guy.
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I dont think the focus should be on the president. but there really are too many political figures to keep up. congress is where the power is, i think. the president is just their toy and fall-to guy.
More so than ever, the power is in the Supreme Court. The unelected Judiciary is appointed by the President. That is what makes the office of President powerful and significant.

The Supreme Court can preserve (conserve) the original intent of the framers or interpret the language to suit the agenda of those who think the Constitution is a flawed document.

If this 300 year old experiment is to survive as the ultimate example of freedom in the history of civilization, what should be the makeup of the Court?

The framers were men of great vision. I think the answer is obvious.
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More so than ever, the power is in the Supreme Court. The unelected Judiciary is appointed by the President. That is what makes the office of President powerful and significant.

The Supreme Court can preserve (conserve) the original intent of the framers or interpret the language to suit the agenda of those who think the Constitution is a flawed document.
Very true! I forgot about that...I'm very rusty.
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More so than ever, the power is in the Supreme Court. The unelected Judiciary is appointed by the President. That is what makes the office of President powerful and significant.

The Supreme Court can preserve (conserve) the original intent of the framers or interpret the language to suit the agenda of those who think the Constitution is a flawed document.

If this 300 year old experiment is to survive as the ultimate example of freedom in the history of civilization, what should be the makeup of the Court?

The framers were men of great vision. I think the answer is obvious.
They were men of great vision, but not God. They also had their weak spots. Note treatment of slaves in the original document as a prime example.

One of the great difficulties in interpreting the Constitution lies in applying it to areas completely outside of anything contemplated by the founding fathers. For example, how does the original intent of the Constitution inform us about the founders views of states regulating violence in video games? Remember, the Constitution was writtnen by a number of people and was the product of deals and compromise. How do you determine the intent of dozens of people. Further, the Constitution as originally written permitted the states to regulate very broad areas. It was not until the amendments after the Civil War that any of the Bill of Rights amendments applied to the states. So the founding fathers would have been okay with California regulating video games. however, that Constitution no longer exists (as it was properly amended), so do we look to what the drafters of the 13-15 amendments thought?

I don't pretend to know the answer, though I have my opinions. I do strongly disagree that it is as simple as looking to the intent of the founders.
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They were men of great vision, but not God.
I'm not really sure what you meant by this?
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